The General Wrestling Thread

[EmpireWF]

Chavo was a bitch.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Chavo is a real dope.

He had a job for life if he wanted one. He could have been putting over guys, including these lucha dudes, for another decade while collecting a nice paycheck and then settling into a agent or trainer position until he croaked.

Instead, he sandbags Sin Cara, complains about his spot, quits, goes to TNA, talks more shit.

Maybe they'll hire him back, but what a moron.

 

[s@ppisgod]

LOL

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/suggestions-help/893985-tna-section.html

At least someone knows when to call it a day in regards to TNA...

 

[s@ppisgod]

I don't disagree with you, but with the way they treat these guys when they sign them, there is no point. By the time they strip them down and pound it into them that they don't know how to work, these guys lose confidence and are a shell of themselves.

I think part of what killed Sin Cara was that they guy was clearly nervous and was shitting his pants every time out. Probably because he was told don't do this, don't do that, you don't know how to sell, etc.

If i'm hiring La Sombra, who is 23, tall, has a great body, and is every bit as athletic as Sin Cara, i'm telling him to not change a fucking thing. Go be La Sombra. Over time, he'll adjust as needed. Dolike WCW did and hire a handful and let them work exclusively with each other until they adjust.

But it will never happen. They'd probably take his mask off immediately. Then eliminate half his moveset. Then break him down until he lost his mojo. At that point, you might as well have just hired a white guy who was half as talented, because that's what you end up with.

They should stick with Americans & Euros.

Good post. I agree with all of it. My only idea is that the WWE should be going all Walter White with it and build a far-reaching empire. They already have that, but they could always use more talent, more versatility, and more money from those damn Hispanics. I would say they should raid Japan, too. But there's really good money and respect there, so most guys wouldn't be as easily swayed...

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Prior to signing a new contract with TNA, Taz tried very hard to get back in WWE. Specifically, he wanted to return in time for WWE's recent RAW taping from Brooklyn, NY. Taz called several people in WWE, but it soon became obvious that Executive Producer Kevin Dunn had no interest in bringing him back.

During a recent production meeting, WWE EVP Triple H said, "TNA doesn't have anyone we need."

This news article is going around various wrestling forums and almost seems to be an IWC fans wet dream so I thought I might post here to see if there is any truth in this at all. Any views? Maybe Dave could confirm?
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- Triple H called the CM Punk/Paul Heyman segment some of the best promo work in many years. The program is being built with the “big fight feel,” something both Vince McMahon and Heyman love. Hunter is really high up on the realism and feels it shows a side of Punk’s character that hasn’t been seen WWE television. One observer pointed you would have to go back to Punk’s program with Raven in Ring of Honor to know that he really had it in him. While both Vince and Hunter feel Punk plays a better heel in the ring, they are “very happy” with this current direction and feel it’s a completely different kind of babyface.

- Daniel Bryan’s match against Antonio Cesaro was being called a second “Match of the Year” candidate in just as many weeks. Triple H greeted Antonio Cesaro as soon as he got backstage and CM Punk and others gave him an ovation. Many workers were spotted watching the bout on the monitor backstage.

- After the show we’re told Vince McMahon went to Bryan and told him that sometimes it’s “good to be wrong.”

- Triple H “blew a gasket” on Ryback for his botched spot at the end of the match with Daniel Bryan where he was supposed to protect Bryan and catch him then put him through a table. It was seen as “careless and reckless” that Ryback just let Bryan bump to the outside and didn’t know how to improvise after completely botching it. According to a source backstage, Hunter got in Ryback’s face and was screaming “carelessness” at him. Bryan is expected to get x-rays on his collar bone on Tuesday but isn’t believed to be hurt as he worked the dark match main event following the taping. However, it’s worth noting this continues to hurt the stock of Ryback. Not only was Hunter upset with the spot but CM Punk and John Cena were vocal about it as well. Cena is someone that rarely calls out others, so when he does, people listen.

Meltzer posted on his forum RE: all of this stuff:

Taz story not legit.

Others I'll know after TV tonight.

 

[JimLeavy59]

lol at Ryback.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

RE: The above Daniel Bryan story.

You know, the WWE isn't for the smark wrestling fan...its not. But, you get the taste every once in a while, enough so to make it worth it.

If you had said years ago that Bryan Danielson would go 35 minutes on RAW and 25 of those minutes came against Claudio Castagnoli in a lead up to main eventing Summer Slam you would have gotten laughed at. Many years ago, if you said the WWE would do a Summer of Punk themselves, you would have also gotten laughed at. While the gimmicks and pushes aren't exactly what you want, they happen.

And, I am all aboard this Punk v. Lesnar and Heyman feud. This has some real potential to be a nice, long feud to keep Punk out of the title picture for a while. Its the oldie, but goodie, "get to the manager" angle. The promos have legitimately been A+ to me. Really good work so far. I fully expect a ****+ match at Summer Slam. I don't see how Punk, Heyman and by proxy, Lesnar, let it be anything else. Really awesome stuff so far.

 

[EmpireWF]

Punk was vanilla when he came back from his most recent break. But since Heyman turned, he's been white hot. Both men have been on fire.

 

[dave]

RE: Luger.

Luger is like the Eddie George of wrestlers. Top 10 pick. A lot of productivity simply because he got the ball a LOT. But never elite or made a team better.

Is that a bust? I don't know.

That's a good analogy. Luger had a very good career. OK, he wasn't the GOAT, but he was the first ever replacement on The Four Horsemen, had that look, did the surprise WCW thing (when he quit WWF). Luger may not have reached Hogan levels, but he has little to apologize for.

 

[EmpireWF]

http://deadspin.com/can-diamond-dallas-page-save-wrestlings-walking-dead-793015043

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Anybody who complained about Heyman as a Hall of Famer in 2006 or whatever it was, they can shut their mouths now because he'd be a slam dunk by now anyway based on his current WWE manager run putting him over the top.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

 

[FedEx227]

We added a heavy-hitter to the Voices of Wrestling staff, former Cageside Seats featured writer Nich Lichter. Here's this first piece (it's pretty awesome):

http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2013/07/23/believabilityvsreality/

Through territories and time, different promoters have approached the fakery of pro-wrestling in different ways. Where the opinions of Masked Man and myself differ is here: In modern WWE, there has been no grand paradigm shift in creative direction when it comes to working off of news reported outside the WWE Universe. We have not entered a new Reality Era in WWE storytelling or an unprecedented “bizarro, hyper-self-aware moment” necessitated by the circle of new smart fans on the internet. Wink-wink references to Dutch Mantel, to Van Dam’s pot use, to Vince’s predilection for big men… they all pale in comparison to the “reality” of modern wrestling’s most infamous self-stylized writer.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

"I'll always feel that way... when they made the movie Avengers, Scarlett Johannsen, Hawkeye and Captain America did not fit with Thor and Hulk.

"People want that. Ryback got pushed to the moon because he had that look. People want to see that. You get over faster if you look like you're a monster. I don't take anything away from... I wanna see a 6'5" guy get on the mound and throw a 110mph fast ball. I really don't want to see some guy doin' the Maddox [former MLB Pitcher Greg Maddox] and cuttin' the corners and all that. I appreciate it, but I wanna see somebody come in there and throw 3 pitches, 110mph, strike the guy out."

This is Kevin Nash on Danielson and Punk being too small. Can Kevin Nash tear his quad again and shut the hell up? What an idiot.

 

[EmpireWF]

Who cares what Nash wants to see?

 

[BigBiss]

I want to see a Nash guest booker

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

-According to one source, WWE officials are apparently looking to create a big-time African American babyface. The idea is to create him to try and draw more directly from that demographic, as welll as move merchandise, similar to the role Rey Mysterio fulfills in WWE for the Latin community.

 

:giveit:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

 

:giveit:

Let's face it, it's only a matter of time.

He has some work to do, he is protected well in Dragon Gate, but this guy is Zeke Jackson with flipz, a license to print money.

 

[s@ppisgod]

What's wrong with Consequences Creed?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

What's wrong with Consequences Creed?

He's 5'7".

Can be a nice curtain jerker for the kids, for sure.