The General Wrestling Thread

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think if Darren Young can be a productive member of the roster who happens to be gay it will be a huge positive, as soon as we get king reading off headlines it becomes a mockery

I have zero faith in WWE to handle this with any sort of class or decorum. They don't do anything subtly, we know this.

Even if we are past the point where they will overtly do something over the top and shameless, I think they'll end up unintentionally embarrassing themselves.

I feel bad for Young. I think ultimately he's fucked.

 

[SuperKevin]

Prime Time Players will be the new Billy and Chuck

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Prime Time Players will be the new Billy and Chuck

That's exactly what they shouldn't do, and what i don't expect them to do in 2013.

This is how they should handle it. It should never be mentioned on TV, ever. He should just be another guy on the roster. In media, fine, push this and get some positive pub. On screen it should never come up. And for god's sake, if they do make it part of his gimmick in any way, he has to be a babyface and he has to be pushed to some extent. But they can't really do that, because you can't have an anti gay heel in the PG environment. So just never bring it up.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I hate how disingenuous TNA is when they call these Impact's "PPV QUALITY FOR FREE!!"...

And Warner...I agree. Darren Young's sexuality should never be mentioned on TV. Once he's gay on TV, he can't be anything other than the fully flaming homo...the WWE doesn't do subtlety. If he's gay, he's the most overt stereotype of a ghey this side of TNA Orlando Jordan (the WWE never goes full retard with that gimmick, it just makes everyone feel uncomfortable).

 

[dave]

That's exactly what they shouldn't do, and what i don't expect them to do in 2013.

This is how they should handle it. It should never be mentioned on TV, ever. He should just be another guy on the roster. In media, fine, push this and get some positive pub. On screen it should never come up. And for god's sake, if they do make it part of his gimmick in any way, he has to be a babyface and he has to be pushed to some extent. But they can't really do that, because you can't have an anti gay heel in the PG environment. So just never bring it up.

Agree with this completely.

 

[BigBiss]

we all know there is no way they can let this pass with out telling us how much the "real world" cared

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He'll probably end up with rainbow merch and shit, and they'll think they're doing it respectfully and all that, but nobody is more tone deaf to how incredibly crass they are at times than this company, so i'm sure with their lack of subtlety it will come off awful and groan worthy.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Did TNA really acknowledge Kurt Angle being in fucking rehab?

Terrible.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

So...TNA spoilers.

 

-AJ Styles is in the Main Event Mafia as THE PHENOMENAL AJ Styles again. Huge payoff with the ever-long AJ Styles turn...*eye roll*
-Devon took the pin in 5-on-5 match...I guess he's taking an agent role in TNA
-Brooke Tessmacher joins A+8's as Bully Ray's new boo.

IOENO.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

So...TNA spoilers.

 

-AJ Styles is in the Main Event Mafia as THE PHENOMENAL AJ Styles again. Huge payoff with the ever-long AJ Styles turn...*eye roll*
-Devon took the pin in 5-on-5 match...I guess he's taking an agent role in TNA
-Brooke Tessmacher joins A+8's as Bully Ray's new boo.

IOENO.

 

3rd bullet point should have been Ivelisse Valez

 

[JimLeavy59]

TNA had some really good things going last year it seemed like they realized they should be pushing the younger guys who aren't ex WWE. And then Aces and 0.8's happened.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Aces + 8's has just run its course, but its done with complete overkill. This faction is going on a year and a half old. A year in a half in wrestling is EONS.

 

[EmpireWF]

I don't know if it was posted earlier but go check out Jon Snowden's article about Bryan at BR.

Aside from misspelling Sal Rinauro's name...awesome stuff.

 

[s@ppisgod]

TNA has painted themselves into a corner in terms of their roster. They need more new faces and new mqtch-ups, but most of the new guys are either A) random, mediocre indy wrestlers coming through Gut Check and are either not talented enough or pushed at all, or both or B) old WWE guys who either aren't capable to or don't care enough to hold up their end of the bargain in matches and feuds.

Think about it, guys like Kaz, Daniels, AJ, Joe, Sabin, Storm, Roode, even Sting, Bully, and Angle have been there for ages. Angle and Joe can go out there and put on a 4 1/2 * match and people don't care because it's been done to death. This isn't the early 90's when you could put Flair/Sting on for the 1,000th time and people still cared. These morons have no attention span, and can't wait to get on their phones. Mix in the cuts and the new working roster size and even IF they EEEEEVER managed to write a good storyline, it wouldn't even make a dent because chances are the match will suck or have been overdone by now, or again, both....

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

All Japan, which if you've been following the story of the roster split has a very dire roster situation, will start using Low Ki & D-Lo Brown in September. It also looks like they've made some sort of agreement with Kensuke Sasaki's Kensuke Office, since there is a strong All Japan presence on the next Diamond Ring show, and Miyahara of Kensuke Office is working the All Japan September tour. This weakens the NOAH depth, as Kensuke had been working with NOAH the last five years or so.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

TNA has painted themselves into a corner in terms of their roster. They need more new faces and new mqtch-ups, but most of the new guys are either A) random, mediocre indy wrestlers coming through Gut Check and are either not talented enough or pushed at all, or both or B) old WWE guys who either aren't capable to or don't care enough to hold up their end of the bargain in matches and feuds.

Think about it, guys like Kaz, Daniels, AJ, Joe, Sabin, Storm, Roode, even Sting, Bully, and Angle have been there for ages. Angle and Joe can go out there and put on a 4 1/2 * match and people don't care because it's been done to death. This isn't the early 90's when you could put Flair/Sting on for the 1,000th time and people still cared. These morons have no attention span, and can't wait to get on their phones. Mix in the cuts and the new working roster size and even IF they EEEEEVER managed to write a good storyline, it wouldn't even make a dent because chances are the match will suck or have been overdone by now, or again, both....

They have no money to pay anyone other than the guys they already have. They've restructured the roster, all of the way to the management team to steamline cost.

TNA has a pretty consistent fanbase. They've got 1M watchers regardless of anything else. Sounds great? Unfortunately, they don't spend money, they've never spent money, and they never will spend money.

TNA needs to spicen up a very bland roster. These dudes have been together for the most part, for 5+ years. We've seen everything a million times. Nothing is fresh. They started bringing in fresh talent, but they kept losing money.

 

[s@ppisgod]

They have no money to pay anyone other than the guys they already have. They've restructured the roster, all of the way to the management team to steamline cost.

TNA has a pretty consistent fanbase. They've got 1M watchers regardless of anything else. Sounds great? Unfortunately, they don't spend money, they've never spent money, and they never will spend money.

TNA needs to spicen up a very bland roster. These dudes have been together for the most part, for 5+ years. We've seen everything a million times. Nothing is fresh. They started bringing in fresh talent, but they kept losing money.

They spend money, just on stupid shit. They spent money on Hogan/Bischoff/RVD/Sting, and making Impact live and taking it on the road. They do all that and all it does is change the crowd, the location, and the guys in the back watching the same AJ/Daniels match that bores everyone. Think about that. Those guys are fucking awesome and a reason why TNA grew to the size it's at now and have great chemistry together. And they can't offer anything in the ring together anymore. A damn shame. If they spent as much money on the talent they bring in from the indies as they do on Hogan and Anderson and the set and bringing the show to the outskirts of whatever big city they're in, maybe they'd drum up some actual interest.

 

[SuperKevin]

They spend money, just on stupid shit. They spent money on Hogan/Bischoff/RVD/Sting, and making Impact live and taking it on the road. They do all that and all it does is change the crowd, the location, and the guys in the back watching the same AJ/Daniels match that bores everyone. Think about that. Those guys are fucking awesome and a reason why TNA grew to the size it's at now and have great chemistry together. And they can't offer anything in the ring together anymore. A damn shame. If they spent as much money on the talent they bring in from the indies as they do on Hogan and Anderson and the set and bringing the show to the outskirts of whatever big city they're in, maybe they'd drum up some actual interest.

Well taking the show on the road was necessary. The Orlando crowd was getting stale and they were about to lose their lease on the Impact Zone anyway

 

[FedEx227]

Perhaps it was necessary, but TNA appeared to do little to no cost analysis on it. They added $1.2M in expenses each month with little to no revenue increase. That's not a great way to run a business.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Perhaps it was necessary, but TNA appeared to do little to no cost analysis on it. They added $1.2M in expenses each month with little to no revenue increase. That's not a great way to run a business.

Sometimes, a business needs to make that expenditure to expand their business. Its just clear that TNA can not expand their business. They've had the same fanbase for years now.