The General Wrestling Thread

[Warner2BruceTD]

Great match. Hot crowd.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Big Rich has gotten a lot better this year.

Not necessarily a guy I'd say is "Most Improved" but I am just saying..."I SEE YOU RICH SWAN!"

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

People are telling me that this Flamita fella had an even better match with AR Fox. I'll post it when I find it.

DTU is where Dragon Gate sends their young boys. It's where Eita spend the last year.

 

[JimLeavy59]

So when will Dolph ask for his release?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

So when will Dolph ask for his release?

Maybe if this were 1986, but unless he's hot on trying to latch on in Japan (which is no easy task these days), i'm not sure where the hell he would go.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Speaking of Ziggler...

Regarding the plight of Ziggler, right now they don’t believe he’ll ever be a guy who draws money, and he’s pretty much demoralized at the same time because it doesn’t take someone that perceptive to see how his stock has dropped.

The lesson here, is don't get a concussion. They will move on.

 

[FedEx227]

Also don't have a single bad buy rate, I think they are still holding Extreme Rules over his head.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

You can just tell that Ziggler is bummed out every time he goes out there.

But, the WWE does this shit all of the time. More often than not, its to see how these guys react.

Bizarro World, but it is, what it is.

 

[FedEx227]

How many more times can you "test" Ziggler though? He's 33 and has been there for around 10 years now.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The big guy either sees you at that level, or doesn't. Bryan has enough people in his corner other than Vince (Triple H, HBK, and just about everybody else) to overcome VKM not thinking he's a guy. Ziggler obviously doesn't. Christian obviously never did.

Ziggler takes great bumps & clearly loves the business. I like him just fine. But let's be honest. Gun to head, do you guys truly view him as a potential to star? I'm genuinely asking for opinions.

I think he's a guy who does everything reasonably well, but is truly great at nothing, aside from bumps, which is really more important for a heel.

Do I think he deserves a chance to fail on top? Sure. But that's easy to say when it's not my company.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The big guy either sees you at that level, or doesn't. Bryan has enough people in his corner other than Vince (Triple H, HBK, and just about everybody else) to overcome VKM not thinking he's a guy. Ziggler obviously doesn't. Christian obviously never did.

Ziggler takes great bumps & clearly loves the business. I like him just fine. But let's be honest. Gun to head, do you guys truly view him as a potential to star? I'm genuinely asking for opinions.

I think he's a guy who does everything reasonably well, but is truly great at nothing, aside from bumps, which is really more important for a heel.

Do I think he deserves a chance to fail on top? Sure. But that's easy to say when it's not my company.

Vince is a strange dude. IIRC, the reason he doesn't like Christian is "he doesn't like his face"...now whether that is hyperbole or not, I don't know. Could Christian have been a big timer...my opinion on that is YES, but they long missed the boat on him. His time was pre-TNA when they were building up a feud with he and Cena that never came.

As for Ziggler, I don't know, I don't think anyone really knows...maybe he can be that guy...they've never really put him in and followed through on a program that would elevate him to really tell. Just a bunch of half hearted stop and start and stop pushes.

Gun to my head, Ziggler is a mid-card heel...if this were 1990, he'd be a great IC champ. If mid-card belts in the WWE meant anything, you could strap him up for a long time and get him over as a workhorse. Since they aren't...at least give this guy a good run with the World Title to see if he's got nuts to him. As is, he's just floating around.

IMO, Ziggler is one of those guys that would have benefited from working the Indies before he was scooped up by the WWE. A poster child of what the Performance Center will spit out. He's really good...but he's missing something. I don't know what it is, but there is something missing there that maybe he could have gotten by working the bingo halls of the world.

I mean, if you look at guys like Punk, Danielson, Claudio, Generico, Ambrose (and honestly, by proxy of all of these other guys having it, I'm thinking Rollins has it, too)...these guys had those nuts before they got there so that no matter what the WWE put in front of them, they had that something that was unburiable about them. Even Claudio. They've clearly capped the guy, but he doesn't care. He goes out there and puts on great matches in five minutes with Santino. No fucks given.

But Ziggler, there is just something missing but in the WWE, you'll never know unless you give'em the ball. There is no where for these guys to have undercard feuds that elevate them (strange, considering the size of the roster).

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Main Event has a long 20-minute workhorse match every week with the mid card guys, where one cleanly goes over the other.

Amazing that RAW is three hours, and they can't carve out 15-20 minutes per week during the first or second hour to put on those types of matches that ultimately get the mid card guys over.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Main Event has a long 20-minute workhorse match every week with the mid card guys, where one cleanly goes over the other.

Amazing that RAW is three hours, and they can't carve out 15-20 minutes per week during the first or second hour to put on those types of matches that ultimately get the mid card guys over.

To be fair, they had a 35 minute match-a-palooza this past week. God damn.

There is a ton of issues the WWE has with writing. Having these failed Hollywood writers working hand-in-hand with "producers" and then management doesn't help...it just ends up convoluted.

Its just shocking at how little development there is at the lower ends of the card. If you aren't one of five or so current feuds, you are basically just roaming around.

They should use Main Event for more feuds in the bubble. Zack Ryder v. Kofi or something. I dunno, something that doesn't lend these characters to roaming around.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I've always thought that since the secondary titles don't mean anything anyway, that each B-show should have one of those championships as the de facto title of that show. In other words, build Main Event around the tag titles, Superstars around the IC, etc. This way, each show has a broader focus. As your Justin Gabriel's or Zack Ryder's or PTP's win each week on each particular show, they are building towards a title program against the champ.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Great match. Hot crowd.

Highlights of Flamita vs AR Fox, which is said to be better than the Swann match:

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I've always thought that since the secondary titles don't mean anything anyway, that each B-show should have one of those championships as the de facto title of that show. In other words, build Main Event around the tag titles, Superstars around the IC, etc. This way, each show has a broader focus. As your Justin Gabriel's or Zack Ryder's or PTP's win each week on each particular show, they are building towards a title program against the champ.

I agree.

Having the IC title defended on Main Event is what should happen. Give'em 15+ to work a good match for Main Event based around the title.

As is, we see these champs with nothing to do and they go long periods of time without defending the title. Use the secondary shows to help keep these titles propped up a little bit.

It'd be perfect for guys like Ziggler, Cesaro, Kofi...your mid-card workhorse types to go out and do that on a show like Main Event.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

That Flamita character is billed at 4'11"

FOUR-FOOT-ELEVEN-INCHES.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

LOL @ Aces and 8's just kicking one member out at a time.

Aries and Kenny King tonight was not bad.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I just finished the Triple H DVD.

In can be summarized by this.

Paul Levesque grows up in Perfectown, USA to two perfect parents and grows up to become the perfect sports entertainer, wrestler, and human being and is the greatest thing to happen to everyone he's ever met.

FIN.

2 hours of that.

Enthralling.

 

[FedEx227]

And you wanted me to review that for the website?