The General Wrestling Thread

[ThomasTomasz]

What a horrible gimmick, and a horrible finisher.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Am I the only one who hates seeing the heels wear the pink shit?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

SPOILER FROM DOLPHINS REDDIT GUY WHO IS NEVER WRONG

 

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Am I the only one who hates seeing the heels wear the pink shit?

Too bad kayfabe disappeared a long time ago.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

SPOILER FROM DOLPHINS REDDIT GUY WHO IS NEVER WRONG

 

Surprised he doesn't have more followers.

Though I wonder if they change the finish to the Orton/Danielson match now.

 

[Leftwich]

Finally they got the fucking title of Del Rio.

 

[JimLeavy59]

And on the same night Ziggler is doing that shitty show thing.

 

[Ravin]

Wish they would just get rid of that title. Useless. No one should ever cash in MITB for it.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Is AJ a heel?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

They are starting the Hell in a Cell match at 10:30 on the nose? This is going to be rushed crap.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

LOL @ Shawn Michaels taking a ref bump.

Terrible ending.

Setting up Michaels v. Bryan at WrestleMania?

 

[ThomasTomasz]

LOL @ Shawn Michaels taking a ref bump.

Terrible ending.

Setting up Michaels v. Bryan at WrestleMania?

Either against Danielson or H's was my prediction. No way is "Mr Wrestlemania" missing his WM30 payday.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Either against Danielson or H's was my prediction. No way is "Mr Wrestlemania" missing his WM30 payday.

Bryan v. Michaels is fap worthy. A legitimate dream match.

 

[JimLeavy59]

What a great payoff Warner.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

What a great payoff Warner.

What?

I'm not even watching this crap, what are you going on about?

From what i'm reading, they just set up Daniel Bryan vs Shawn Michaels.

THAT i'll watch.

 

[FedEx227]

Hero wins title, villain costs him title
Hero wins title, villain strips him of the title next next
Hero unsuccessful wins title
Hero screwed over by villains best friend, does not win title

MAKING THE STARS!

 

[FedEx227]

I'm going to write a rather lengthy piece today on the sale of TNA that follows essentially what Warner was trying to get across. People are severely undervaluing prime time television slots on an established cable network.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Hero wins title, villain costs him title
Hero wins title, villain strips him of the title next next
Hero unsuccessful wins title
Hero screwed over by villains best friend, does not win title

MAKING THE STARS!

He's already a star, that was accomplished when he beat Cena clean in the middle.

The argument would be, are they damaging him?

I have a serious question for you guys. In modern WWE, does winning the title matter in the grand scheme? In other words, does he even need to win the title to justify the fact he's now being pushed as a top guy? Because here's what I see, I see a guy who has still main evented every single PPV since August (four of them), including one where Cena was back.

Not saying anybody here has used this word, but others have and it is sure being implied here...please explain how this is some sort of cockeyed burial. I'm sure 90% of the roster would want this burial.

I think you guys are wrapped up in the idea that the title means something. Randy Orton is the champ, and he's the same upper mid card non draw that he's always been. Who cares?

 

[FedEx227]

As I've said time and time again, I think the title matters if the guy is what we fans consider a "wrestler". When CM Punk won the title at Money in the Bank 2011, it was an accomplishment for the IWC and the smart fans with the idea that, NOW this title is legit because one of the best wrestlers in the world has it.

There's instant credibility in those type of guys breaking the mold and holding the strap for a given amount of time. We know it's just a prop when Orton or Cena win it because, fuck, those guys have each won it 10 plus times. For a guy like Punk or Bryan, it's still something different and special because we the fans are smart enough to know Vince would prefer these guys not sniff the top of his company.

There's some pleasure in seeing a guy you use to watch in smoky gyms with 100 other people ascend to the top of a billion dollar wrestling company. When that's constantly taken away from you or swerved away from you, eventually you just kind of say "Fuck it" and yeah, the title as you mentioned becomes meaningless even when the guy you've been rooting for for 10-15 years gets it.

I've said this from the get-go as well, this angle can be done with any wrestler on the roster. This shitshow of a "best for business" storyline could have been done with The Miz to largely the same effect. Daniel Bryan deserves better because he is better. He's earned the chance to have a solid run at the top of the company ala CM Punk/Heyman last year. Instead, he's an accessory to a larger storyline. Granted, he's still been way over and good for him, I'm really glad but I can't help but wonder if one day people will just say "This guy is a fucking geek" and stop screaming Yes. It hasn't happened yet, but I'm not sure how often you can make him the fodder before it happens or before management decides he needs to put a suit on and work as an analyst.

With any of these "internet darlings", you feel like you're on borrowed time with them at the top of the company so to have 5 months of him being in main event is great, but the matches haven't been particularly good because there's so much bullshit in and around them. He was having way better matches with the same guys on TV months ago.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

As I've said time and time again, I think the title matters if the guy is what we fans consider a "wrestler". When CM Punk won the title at Money in the Bank 2011, it was an accomplishment for the IWC and the smart fans with the idea that, NOW this title is legit because one of the best wrestlers in the world has it.

There's instant credibility in those type of guys breaking the mold and holding the strap for a given amount of time. We know it's just a prop when Orton or Cena win it because, fuck, those guys have each won it 10 plus times. For a guy like Punk or Bryan, it's still something different and special because we the fans are smart enough to know Vince would prefer these guys not sniff the top of his company.

There's some pleasure in seeing a guy you use to watch in smoky gyms with 100 other people ascend to the top of a billion dollar wrestling company. When that's constantly taken away from you or swerved away from you, eventually you just kind of say "Fuck it" and yeah, the title as you mentioned becomes meaningless even when the guy you've been rooting for for 10-15 years gets it.

I get that. It's cool to see one of "our" guys win the top prize. I totally get that this is why the "smart" fans are in an uproar every month when they find a new way to screw this character out of it.

But let's again remember that they don't write their stories for us. I've said this before, and i'll say it again. Bryan Danielson, wrestler extraordinaire, "Best in the World", is not who is over with the WWE genpop*. Fuck, Punk even stole his gimmick. Daniel Bryan, overachieving goat boy, YES YES YES never say die little guy, doesn't-know-any-better underdog, is who is over. That is his character, and that is who is over with the people.

At the start of this I thought they were slowly getting away from that character. They clearly aren't. So my interest in this entire thing went from intrigued, to not giving a single fuck because you know how I feel about goat boy YES YES YES Daniel Bryan. Even his great matches can't overcome that cartoon character for me. I find him just as annoying as the Bushwhackers & Santino.

*copyright larry