The OFFICIAL Peyton Manning Sweepstakes thread...

[Rayman]

Cards are officially out of it now.. 49ers still have no real legit wideouts.

LOL @ you guys hyping Randy Moss like it's 1998

Peyton would make those wideouts legit. :smug:

 

[St. Francisco]

Cards are officially out of it now.. 49ers still have no real legit wideouts.

LOL @ you guys hyping Randy Moss like it's 1998

Randy Moss was signed to a one-year deal with no guaranteed money. It's the exact same thing we did with Braylon Edwards last season. If he works out, we look like geniuses. If he doesn't, we cut him without any repercussions.

The thing is we don't need Moss to be in his prime. We need him to stretch the field, take attention away from Crabtree, Davis, and whoever else steps in (Manningham, Lloyd, draft pick, etc.) Run deep routes, throw to him a few times a game just to keep the defense honest. If he has a 40-yard catch every few games, he's worth every penny.

 

[Tailback U]

Put Manning on the 49ers and I bet he out performs Thomas, Decker, and Royal next season.

 

[Tailback U]

Point is that Moss isn't that good anymore but he would greatly benefit from Manning. Nobody thinks he is gonna put up numbers like he did in his prime but he definitely has one more good season left and Manning would undoubtedly bring out the best in him at this point.

 

[Tailback U]

Yeah.. he would do that with any WR.

I just tend to believe he'd rather do it with guys who don't have a history or being quitters and team cancers that's all.

I tend to think he'd rather do it with whoever has the better team. Let's be honest, Moss, Thomas, or Decker don't really have shit to do with his decision.

 

[Tailback U]

You really don't think the guys he will be throwing to have a bearing on his decision?

Ok then.. How about Denver's ability to offer him more money?

How about playing against much softer defenses in the AFC West?

But I suppose that wouldn't have anything to do with it, he's just met with Denver twice for shits and giggles.

Vernon Davis, Moss and Crabtree are better than Thomad and Decker.

You act like the NFC west has power house defenses.

Denver is a serious contender for him, they have money, but if you really think they are better fit for him than SF then you're dumb.

If he doesn't go to SF it's because of money and not wanting to play against his brother. That's it.

 

[Woy]

Assuming Britt stays healthy, Tennessee provides the most weapons on offense.

- Second best pass blocking line adds Steve Hutchinson and possibly a new center
- Line upgrades open up holes for Chris Johnson, who won't have the same kind of year as last season
- A budding star in Britt and reliable 1000-yard guy in Nate Washington on the outside at WR, then Damian Williams and Lavelle Hawkins in the slots with a probable WR addition in the draft
- one of the most athletically gifted TEs in Jared Cook

:fap:

 

[EmpireWF]

San Fran's oline was pretty damn good with a great running game, elite TE and potentially above average receivers.

Plus SF has the better overall team with that sick defense.

 

[Woy]

San Fran's oline was pretty damn good with a great running game, elite TE and potentially above average receivers.

Plus SF has the better overall team with that sick defense.

Not denying their overall team being better...that's easy to figure out.

I just think we have more weapons on the offensive side of the ball - assuming Britt stays healthy. And that's not that bold of a statement to make.

 

[EmpireWF]

Perhaps but the moment Peyton signs on the dotted line, every skill position player becomes that much better by default.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

There's more to SF then just Moss/Davis/Crabtree.

Frank Gore is one hell of a pass catcher out of the backfield.

Delanie Walker is an underrated pass catcher.

Crabtree would skyrocket in production with Manning to BTW.

Plus they very well could bring in another WR, if not Clark. Thats fuckin scary.

Moss has faced the same critics before, "old and washed up". He's still got the athletic tallent, size, vert, range, hands. I don't see how he can't be as productive as say Kenny Britt's best season 775 yds 9 TDs, or Damarious Thomas's best w/ 551 yds, 4 tds.

Fact of the matter is the niners don't need Moss to move the ball. They got plenty of targets. What Moss brings that the niners need most is a scoring threat. Somebody who's going to be able to A) catch a deep TD, or B) catch it in the back corner of the endzone for a jump ball down inside the 20. Both of which a slow aging Moss can still do as well as ANYBODY in this league. Period. Moss doesn't have to be 1998 Moss. He just has to be 2012 Moss. Give dude 50 YPG, and 1 TD every other week, you're looking at 800 yds and 8 TDs. With Manning, that is entirely plausible.

 

[Tailback U]

This is a stupid discussion that I'm not going to have with you homers.

One team went 13-3 and was a field goal away from beating the entail super bowl champs.

One team squeaked into the playoffs only because a handful of miracles and the other team didn't make the playoffs and let a team win their division with a 3rd string rookie QB.

That's all there is to it at this point.

 

[Tailback U]

How do you figure? Davis is a special athlete that's for sure but if Manning comes to Denver Dallas Clark is sure to follow. I would rank both Thomas and Decker well above Crabs and Moss at this point in their careers and both with the potential to improve, Thomas to potentially an All-Pro level.

This is just fucking laughable by the way. You are embarrassing yourself by saying stupid shit like this.

Crabtree had much better yardage stats than Thomas last season and he sucks. Thomas had 550 yards and 4 TDs on the season and you are labeling him a future All-Pro. Let's see if he can play a full season even before we announce him as one of the top 4 best wide receivers in the league.

BTW, Darrius Heyward Bey had 975 yards and 4 TDs last season.

Perspective - get some.

 

[Tailback U]

Find a dictionary... Look up the word potenially and get back to me. The guy had two 100 yard games and a 200 yard game in the playoffs in his first real season in the league. And like I said before, without the most accurate of guys getting him the ball.

I don't know where I ever said he was in the top 4 recievers in the league.. But ok..

Crabtree played 4 games more than Demaryius and was also the #1 WR for the 49ers all season. Thomas only started getting real PT after the Lloyd trade and after that he averaged 106 YPG and 21.2 YPC.

"Perspective - get some."

Find a search engine...look up "NFL All-Pro team" and get back to me.

I'll save you some time. There are only 4 WRs named to the All-Pro team. 2 on the first team, 2 on the second team.

LOL @ first real season in the league. What does that even mean? So he had two 100 yard games in the regular season and a 200 yard game in the playoffs because the Steelers were dumb enough to stick Ike Taylor on him 1 on 1 he is a future all-pro?

You Denver fans get so carried away with how good your players are. You did it with Hillis, you did it with Orton, you did it with Tebow, you do it with every player before they've even played a fucking season.

"Potential all-pro"...what a fucking joke that is.

 

[Tailback U]

In his rookie season Calvin Johnson played in 14 games and caught 48 passes for 756 yards...

LOL @ comparing Demaryius Thomas, a guy who has literally done nothing, to Calvin Johnson. And Thomas had 283 yards in his rookie season, for the record.

Yeah it's just us... This coming from the guy who said it was a great deal to give up a first and second round pick for Carson Palmer.

I never said it was a great deal. I said I can see why they did it and the Raiders would probably waste those picks on some dumb ass player anyway and they were trying to make the playoffs so I understood it, never said it was a good idea or a good trade, though.

I must have missed where he gained all 200 yards on that Ike Taylor play.. What did he do run into the stands and do a few laps?

He actually only caught 4 balls, and I think he got about 150 on 2 plays. So pretty close.

The kid is oozing potential and has more physical talent than any wide out on the 49ers roster.

LOL great comparison.

You know who one of the All-Pro receivers was last year? Wes Welker. Not really oozing with physical talent.

No doubt he has potential and has a lot of talent, but calling him a future all-pro is getting carried away.

 

[Tailback U]

Would Wes Welker be an All-Pro without Tom Brady?

I love you you are just negating the fact that Thomas had to ad lib most of his shit.

And why shouldn't I compare his numbers to Johnson's? Through the same number of games they are COMPARABLE.

And that's with the guy getting the ball to CJ being able to actually complete 50% of their passes.

When Thomas has been healthy and on the field, he's been unstoppable at times. If he had a guy like Manning throwing him the ball and working with him on his routes and timing he would be one of the best WRs in the league and I don't really care whether you think so or not.

You win, Glen. He's a future All-Pro. He made 36 year old Ike Taylor look like a freshman in high school, he obviously has future All-Pro written all over him.

Goodnight.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

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You win, Glen. He's a future All-Pro. He made 36 year old Ike Taylor look like a freshman in high school, he obviously has future All-Pro written all over him.

Goodnight.

31 :joeybats:



@ Glennard:
To say Britt was on pace to break every Titans receiving record isn't a fair evaluation of a season worth of statistics. You have to understand that the season is long, 16 games, and a lot can happen. We've all seen good players pop out of the gate like Britt, only to fall flat on their faces soon after. Case in point, he got injured...flat on his face.

As for Thomas, I like him. But don't tell me Alex "throw it away" Smith was a good QB last year. Comparably Vernon Davis has been a far better pass catcher then anybody on the Broncos team. Argument over. But Crabs has seen some problems as well, 5 games out of 3 years. 3 different OC's, Alex "throw it away" Smith at QB, on a team that for his entire career has been run heavy, Crabs has 2240 yards and 12 TDs. Including his rookie season when he had 625 yards after missing pre-season and the first 5 games for sitting out/knee problem. The potential is there for him to be a solid WR if he had at least a decent QB throwing to him. I'm sorry but Smith sucks much ass!

As for this Magical WR...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6460/news
Mar 14 Lloyd is expected to visit the 49ers, the Boston Globe reports.

Recommendation: Wideouts have been flying off the board in free agency and Lloyd could be the next one to get his big payday. With the 49ers, Lloyd would fill out an intruiging receiving corps that already includes Michael Crabtree and Randy Moss. Don't count out the the Patriots though, a situation that would allow Lloyd to reunite with Josh McDaniels and also work with QB Tom Brady.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8872/news;_ylt=AmPrgIpyUOwdXiJu_eSCVu3.uLYF
Mar 14 Manningham is slated to visit the 49ers on Thursday, the San Jose Mercury News reports.

Recommendation: After having added Randy Moss, the 49ers are also in the Brandon Lloyd mix, but either way the fact that they are also bringing in Manningham for a visit reinforces the notion that upgrading at wideout remains a top priority for the team.

The 49ers are definitely looking to add another WR.

Mike Wallace is still a real possibility as well.

The 49ers have $23m in cap to spend, releasing Shawnte Spencer as reported they brings them up to $26m. Broncos only have $27.8m, and more space is expected to be made on restructuring contracts as well. If the niners end up with Wallace, that's one less 1st round salary they have to pay. But they could trade those picks away as well, and avoid taking the cap hit.

There's still a ton of other shit these teams can do to try to land Manning+another WR. Don't fool yourself bud. This is a reality.

If it's not about the money, which Manning has said it isn't, if it's all about winning, he's going to San Fran. If it is about the money, Denver. If it's about job security, Tenn. It's just that simple. I think he wants to win, so San Fran IMO is the place to be.

 

[Tailback U]

31 is basically 36 in cornerback years. :motte:

And everything else you said is irrelevant because Dallas Clark is surely signing with Denver if Peyton does, glen said so.

 

[Obst]

31 is basically 36 in cornerback years. :motte:

And everything else you said is irrelevant because Dallas Clark is surely signing with Denver if Peyton does, glen said so.

And Dallas Clark has been relevant in the past couple of years.

 

[ram29jackson]

This is a stupid discussion that I'm not going to have with you homers.

One team went 13-3 and was a field goal away from beating the entail super bowl champs.

One team squeaked into the playoffs only because a handful of miracles and the other team didn't make the playoffs and let a team win their division with a 3rd string rookie QB.

That's all there is to it at this point.

and the Broncs still won a playoff game against a playoff savvy team,just like the 49ers did..Denver would have just as much potential to get deep in the playoffs as SF would with a supposed healthy Manning...but ,has Moss matured? that seems like a major factor to, in wanting to pull Manning in...can you imagine that huddle or sideline if Moss starts whyning ?