The Official Wrestlemania XXVII Thread

[FedEx227]

The Pee Wee Herman segment was essential. And the Mae Young one too. Her sexual innuendos never get old.

 

[EmpireWF]

They don't care about mid carders, and never will. They apparently needed time for 19 false finish spots in the HHH match that nobody bought anyway, and gospel choirs for Cena.

People bought the tombstone false finish.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

People bought the tombstone false finish.

Noone bought any false finish. If you thought, even for a second, that HHH was going to beat Taker at WM with his own finisher, then you are indeed a mark.

HHH did epically botch the tombstone tho.. Taker's head bounced off the mat. Im sure he was in immense pain for the rest of the night.

 

[EmpireWF]

Noone bought any false finish. If you thought, even for a second, that HHH was going to beat Taker at WM with his own finisher, then you are indeed a mark.

HHH did epically botch the tombstone tho.. Taker's head bounced off the mat. Im sure he was in immense pain for the rest of the night.

Taker was already in immense pain.

That spot was a damn good false finish, won't get into the whole match but the whole story of the second half was tremendous.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

People bought the tombstone false finish.

Stop.

Even if they did, I'm curious how much combined time they spent laying on the mat after all of the goofy 2.9's. Probably could have cut them in half and squeezed in another match.

Anyway, its all pointless, this is what they do. And then they can't create stars and wonder why.

People who got put over the strongest last night:
Rock
Snooki
HHH
Undertaker
Edge

I mean, you don't see an issue here? Larry is 1000% correct.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Its not that I thought it was a bad spot, I just dont think anyone thought for a second that the match was ending there. That was obviously a spot that was going to happen during the match. Im sure Taker regrets it tho, cause HHH's ass completely botched that shit. Theres a reason the Tombstone is all but banned now-a-days.

 

[FedEx227]

Stop.

Even if they did, I'm curious how much combined time they spent laying on the mat after all of the goofy 2.9's. Probably could have cut them in half and squeezed in another match.

Anyway, its all pointless, this is what they do. And then they can't create stars and wonder why.

People who got put over the strongest last night:
Rock
Snooki
HHH
Undertaker
Edge

I mean, you don't see an issue here? Larry is 1000% correct.

I loved how Meltzer brought up the point that Snooki had like the 2nd or 3rd most athletic move on the show.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I loved how Meltzer brought up the point that Snooki had like the 2nd or 3rd most athletic move on the show.

I might argue it was THE most athletic, and possibly also the high point of th evening.

It was really amazing when you break it down, at how POORLY the whole show was put together. Right from the jump when they put Del-Rio vs Edge first.. I take it they wanted to start the show off with something big, but it failed, badly. The match was bad and they just ended up no-selling the World Title. Just flat out terrible.

 

[EmpireWF]

Yeah, that's actually pretty accurate about the show as a whole being pretty ground based (besides the Morrison move, the Kingston move, Snooki and Undertaker's painful looking suicide dive).

They've definitely done a shit job of keeping their midcarders relevent and it's a shame. There's talent there but they don't get the time of day to rise up.

The only guys who have in recent years...Punk, Miz and Sheamus (although he's back down the card).

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Stop.

Even if they did, I'm curious how much combined time they spent laying on the mat after all of the goofy 2.9's. Probably could have cut them in half and squeezed in another match.

Anyway, its all pointless, this is what they do. And then they can't create stars and wonder why.

People who got put over the strongest last night:
Rock
Snooki
HHH
Undertaker
Edge

I mean, you don't see an issue here? Larry is 1000% correct.

Leading up, when I said it was going to be underrated or WOAT, I meant it, and it is why I didn't buy it, even though I actually was pretty hyped for the card.

It was the perfect opportunity for them to put over the next generation that are currently sitting around, squandering in the mid-card, and not a single fuckin one of them went over...not even Miz got over and he is/was the champ that ended the show.

I just knew this shit wasn't going to be good when I read they knocked Sheamus/Bryan to the curtain jerker match and it was filled with shenanigans. At that point, I realized it was going to be awful.

Then I saw Del Rio v. Edge and when I got that ending, I should have just stopped watching. You are building up Del Rio to be your champ, you even put him on first, so maybe you put over Del Rio while not taking away from the other two main event level matches, and nope...typical Edge match with junk Edge finish.

Maybe that is what happens when you put Del Rio with a bum like G-Rilla.

Edge will never be that over...ever. He's just not very good nor likable or hateable. He's alright...but he's been at the top of the card wayyyy too long and for him to be put over one of their next latin superstars is silly silly booking.

I don't mind HHH and Undertaker being put over...that is what that match was there for. Same with Snooki...they always put over their celebs, but damn, give Morrison and Ziggler the rub by carrying the match a little bit.

I get it, The Rock was your draw, but you use that draw to get over people that will be there for a while. Not necessarily Cena, but you devalued your premier talent, Miz, in the worst way. Epic intro, awful match, even worse post-match shenanigans.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Yeah, that's actually pretty accurate about the show as a whole being pretty ground based (besides the Morrison move, the Kingston move, Snooki and Undertaker's painful looking suicide dive).

They've definitely done a shit job of keeping their midcarders relevent and it's a shame. There's talent there but they don't get the time of day to rise up.

The only guys who have in recent years...Punk, Miz and Sheamus (although he's back down the card).

Punk and Miz got over RVD style. When no one wanted them over, they got themselves over by pure force and will power. The audience just ate these guys up and forced Vince and Co., regardless of their preconceived notions, to push them to the moon. The other guys though, pure force.

Sheamus is just HHH's friend...

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Leading up, when I said it was going to be underrated or WOAT, I meant it, and it is why I didn't buy it, even though I actually was pretty hyped for the card.

It was the perfect opportunity for them to put over the next generation that are currently sitting around, squandering in the mid-card, and not a single fuckin one of them went over...not even Miz got over and he is/was the champ that ended the show.

I just knew this shit wasn't going to be good when I read they knocked Sheamus/Bryan to the curtain jerker match and it was filled with shenanigans. At that point, I realized it was going to be awful.

Then I saw Del Rio v. Edge and when I got that ending, I should have just stopped watching. You are building up Del Rio to be your champ, you even put him on first, so maybe you put over Del Rio while not taking away from the other two main event level matches, and nope...typical Edge match with junk Edge finish.

Maybe that is what happens when you put Del Rio with a bum like G-Rilla.

Edge will never be that over...ever. He's just not very good nor likable or hateable. He's alright...but he's been at the top of the card wayyyy too long and for him to be put over one of their next latin superstars is silly silly booking.

I don't mind HHH and Undertaker being put over...that is what that match was there for. Same with Snooki...they always put over their celebs, but damn, give Morrison and Ziggler the rub by carrying the match a little bit.

I get it, The Rock was your draw, but you use that draw to get over people that will be there for a while. Not necessarily Cena, but you devalued your premier talent, Miz, in the worst way. Epic intro, awful match, even worse post-match shenanigans.

The fucking champ coming out FIRST accompanied by ALEX RILEY.. was just hideous, especially after the epic intro video with Hate Me Now playing in the back.. all to put over Cena's AWFUL entrance. Then the fucking In Your House finish with the Rock was just absolutely TERRIBLE for a fucking Wrestlemania.

The Snooki match was NOTHING but a filler between HHH/Taker and Miz/Cena, I dont even think Ziggler or Morrison got in the ring at all, just brutal.

The show could've had some momentum to start if Del Rio went over, CLEAN to Edge. Start off by crowning a new world champ, gives your show a way better feel, not the dull shit everyone has seen already.

They thought not doing a MITB match was a good idea, it really wasnt.. all that mid level talent that were thrown into nothing should've been in a fucking clusterfuck 10 man ladder match, it would've EASILY been the best thing they did all night, while still likely being sloppy as fuck.

Just brutal, absolutely brutal. And with Vince trying to push this "dont say anything about wrestling anymore we're strictly an entertainment group, not wrestling", it was quite fitting that that went hand in hand with the worst Wrestlemania of all time.

 

[EmpireWF]

Not even close to the worst WM ever. 2, 9, 11 all definitely worse. Even 24 was as bad.

13 is comparable since both are one match shows.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

2 was worse.
11 was worse, although BamBam v. LT was as good a celeb match as you'll ever see and it gets extra points for it.

9 was on par, but I find the novelty of it amusing. Two quality matches though in Michaels-Tatanka and Steiners-Headshrinkers.

13 was better.

Honestly, if not for Undertaker-Michaels, we are on a very poor downward trend of WrestleMania events. They just haven't been that good.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Not even close to the worst WM ever. 2, 9, 11 all definitely worse. Even 24 was as bad.

13 is comparable since both are one match shows.

It was a no match show.. Taker/HHH was average if anything, had a couple good spots and thats it.

WM24 was bad, but not as bad.

WM11 is debatable yes.

WM9 was hideously put together, much like this show, but actually had a couple decent matches on it.

WM2 was epically awesome.

 

[krulmichael]

Nothing will ever top WM 17, but this one was easily the worst WM I have seen. Slap the Rock on it and it sells though.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

It was a no match show.. Taker/HHH was average if anything, had a couple good spots and thats it.

WM24 was bad, but not as bad.

WM11 is debatable yes.

WM9 was hideously put together, much like this show, but actually had a couple decent matches on it.

WM2 was epically awesome.

The old WrestleMania's age really bad in regards to in-ring work (although, I find story telling and promo work by the top flight guys to transcend generations).

I think the best aged 'Mania's are the ones from the Attitude Era and the ones right after where Paul Heyman's Smackdown really shined. You have Jericho, Angle, Benoit, Eddie, etc. really just putting in strong work on those cards it transcends time.

 

[EmpireWF]

With a match as good as Taker/HHH, it's right with 13.

Recent years are all hit or miss with Shawn's stuff being the saving grace. Even 21, I don't remember much besides Shawn/Angle (awesome) and HHH/Batista (good).

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

With a match as good as Taker/HHH, it's right with 13.

Recent years are all hit or miss with Shawn's stuff being the saving grace. Even 21, I don't remember much besides Shawn/Angle (awesome) and HHH/Batista (good).

I do not understand what the hell you think was so good about HHH/Taker, it was average at best. It was just HHH beating up Taker for majority of the match (legitimately too, by dropping dude on his fucking head), and was just a downright slow match, with a few nice spots and an "interesting" finish, ruined by post match theatrics that were unneeded. C'mon man. Just epically bad.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

With a match as good as Taker/HHH, it's right with 13.

Recent years are all hit or miss with Shawn's stuff being the saving grace. Even 21, I don't remember much besides Shawn/Angle (awesome) and HHH/Batista (good).

Taker-HHH will never, and I mean EVER be compared to Austin-Hart. That match is worth the price of admission alone for not just what it was, but what it meant for the business.

As for 21? You crazy.

Eddie v. Rey was the last time Rey was good.
First Money in the Bank match.
An average Undertaker-Orton match.
Angle-Michaels
A decent HHH/Batista match.

Two classics in the MitB and Angle-Michaels, a solid opener in Rey-Eddie, and some decent matches around it in HHH/Bats and Taker/Orton. You had junk there, too...but it was a strong card, 21.