The Ray Rice Elevator Video

[ralaw]

Hey yo, Ray McDonald. How you doin!

If there in no video there will be no outrage.

 

[calgaryballer]

If there in no video there will be no outrage.

With all eyes on the NFL, I think there will be.

Everyone is complaining in here that it's only because of the video that the response is as strong as it is. I think that's just human nature as it forces everyone to confront the horror of domestic abuse. Hell, even with the video there are still people in this thread insinuating that a 120 lb woman deserved to get KOed by a 220 lb pure muscle NFL star.

The 'doubt' that people put out there continually allows domestic abusers to get away with it (I.e she probably deserved it, she made him do it, she should have shut her mouth etc). Now that the public has seen what it looks like when an NFL player punches his wife, I hope the media keeps the pressure on and calls for the players to be held accountable. Its gone from being an abstract to a reality. When Macdonald and Greg Hardy are called to account for what they've done, the nfl can't look the other way because this video will still be in people's minds.

The NFL isn't a court of law. It's a private business that has a personal conduct policy. That Rice was found innocent of any crimes is more an indictment of the judicial system than any refutation of guilt. Goodwill dropped the ball hard on this one and is now forced to act. Suspending him indefinitely is the only way that other players will get the message that they can't beat their wives. Even then, some players seem too fucking stupid to check themselves.

Personally, I would be intrigued to see what is goin through Janay Palmers head. She defended Rice at a press conference, fought for him at a disciplinary hearing were Rice was in the room and took a large share of the blame. And it's still come down to Rice losing millions. Complete conjecture here, but I have to think an abuser like Rice somehow blames Janay for all of this happening to him

 

[EmpireWF]

All I'm pointing out is this is what happens 99% of the time when you hit someone. You hit, you get hit. Both should have been in jail.

You are clueless.

Self control is why "this" does not happen 99% of the time. Common decency is another reason.

Why should she be in jail, for having the gaul to get knocked out?

 

[number_55]

Janay Rice response http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/09/ray-rice-video-wife-janay-instagram-statement/

TMZ says NFL did not want to see the video http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/09/nfl-ray-rice-video-elevator-attack-fiancee-casino-footage/

 

[buckeye]

I'm not sure who/what to blame really.

She obviously didn't want him to get into trouble with the NFL. So of course Ray Rice is at fault for the incident. Obviously he gets blame and rightfully so.

But should we really blame the NFL?!? They sat with both parties and took her wishes into account when handing down punishment. They are not the legal system and have zero obligation to do anything. They did suspend him but mostly because if they didn't it wouldn't send a very good image of the league.

The only thing I suggest the league should do at this point is back the Ravens wishes for him to not be in the NFL right now. Blacklist Rice for a year, two... Whatever.

The problem now becomes what happens to the other players with similar problems this past off season. At this point the NFL has to amend its policies on physical altercations

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[calgaryballer]

At the very least, the NFL deserves a huge amount of blame for interviewing them together. That does not look good in any light

 

[MrBill]

TMZ says NFL did not want to see the video http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/09/nfl-ray-rice-video-elevator-attack-fiancee-casino-footage/

This cover up is getting bigger than Watergate.

 

[Argath]

This cover up is getting bigger than Watergate.

:bosh:

 

[ThomasTomasz]

If the NFL really didn't want to view the video, they aren't doing their due diligence for the situation. I know they aren't doing a criminal investigation here, but a simple shoving match vs a knockout punch is a whole other level for even their disciplinary policy.

I don't have many issues with Goodell, but if the word came from him that he didn't want or need the video, I really hope he resigns under pressure from this.

 

[EmpireWF]

I don't know if there was a cover up, I'd like to think that if any of the power brokers actually saw the punches, this would not have been dragged out as it was.

So, unless someone from the commissioner's office comes out and says otherwise, I'll just believe that they never got their hands on the footage until yesterday. Now, why they didn't request it from the attorneys in the case, who the fuck knows.

 

[the Brain]

You are clueless.

Self control is why "this" does not happen 99% of the time. Common decency is another reason.

Why should she be in jail, for having the gaul to get knocked out?

For assault herself, sherlock. If she didn't hit him first & a second time, and an attempt @ a third, she may have not gotten knocked out. Just because her assault didn't cause any harm doesn't erase the fact that it was assault, Columbo.

 

[Pitty]

For assault herself, sherlock. If she didn't hit him first & a second time, and an attempt @ a third, she may have not gotten knocked out. Just because her assault didn't cause any harm doesn't erase the fact that it was assault, Columbo.

You'd be a great poster boy for population control.

 

[the Brain]

I don't see why the NFL & its decision makers are @ fault here. I despise Goodell & his handling of the conduct policy. It would be karma for him to get axed because of public outrage just as he has meted out punishment in the past.

But it is not the NFL's job to police society. It is society's job to police the NFL. Who everyone should be upset with is Atlantic City.

 

[the Brain]

You'd be a great poster boy for population control.

Yet you can only offer wisecracks instead of debating your point. You want to ignore the facts that should temper your outrage. Or you think it is okay for a woman to hit a man.

 

[Pitty]

Yet you can only offer wisecracks instead of debating your point. You want to ignore the facts that should temper your outrage. Or you think it is okay for a woman to hit a man.

What does her prospective imprisonment mean for either the NFL or Rice? She is not an NFL Running Back, she is not an NFL official. This is deflection at its finest. You're trying to assert that her hitting Rice has anything to do with the real issue here which is a man who can run through a concrete wall unloading two cold cocks on his fiance. Deflecting the blame to the woman? Jesus Christ man, you probably think rape is ok because a female dresses in scant clothing.

 

[the Brain]

I didn't deflect the blame. I cast it on both of them. I don't see how her hitting him is irrelevant. Unless, again, you think it is ok for a woman to hit a man.

The rest of your blather about the NFL makes no sense. I never asserted the NFL should punish her.

 

[Argath]

:dead:


So it's Janay's fault for the incident. Wow. Just.. fucking wow.


I suppose she deserved to be spat on as well? I mean I'm sure at some point during her instigation of ray rice, she must have landed some spit on him.

 

[ralaw]

With all eyes on the NFL, I think there will be.

Everyone is complaining in here that it's only because of the video that the response is as strong as it is. I think that's just human nature as it forces everyone to confront the horror of domestic abuse. Hell, even with the video there are still people in this thread insinuating that a 120 lb woman deserved to get KOed by a 220 lb pure muscle NFL star.

The 'doubt' that people put out there continually allows domestic abusers to get away with it (I.e she probably deserved it, she made him do it, she should have shut her mouth etc). Now that the public has seen what it looks like when an NFL player punches his wife, I hope the media keeps the pressure on and calls for the players to be held accountable. Its gone from being an abstract to a reality. When Macdonald and Charles Johnson are called to account for what they've done, the nfl can't look the other way because this video will still be in people's minds.

The NFL isn't a court of law. It's a private business that has a personal conduct policy. That Rice was found innocent of any crimes is more an indictment of the judicial system than any refutation of guilt. Goodwill dropped the ball hard on this one and is now forced to act. Suspending him indefinitely is the only way that other players will get the message that they can't beat their wives. Even then, some players seem too fucking stupid to check themselves.

Personally, I would be intrigued to see what is goin through Janay Palmers head. She defended Rice at a press conference, fought for him at a disciplinary hearing were Rice was in the room and took a large share of the blame. And it's still come down to Rice losing millions. Complete conjecture here, but I have to think an abuser like Rice somehow blames Janay for all of this happening to him

It mostly is the video. No one seems to care much about the Greg Hardy case and he was convicted. Domestic abuse is a societal issue that as a country we tend to overlook. We all knew Rice knocked her out! Video showed him dragging her out of the elevator. It wasn't until yesterday did all of this outrage occur. Yeah, people were upset about the two games, but people quickly moved on.

I can't get into Janay Palmer's reaction to her husband being suspended. As a society we would like to believe that she would have left him, but in these situations this is rarely the case. As a couple they decided to work through their problems....we should respect that as it is their business.

I doubt Rice blames Palmer for any of this. They both screwed up and unfortunately for them it got caught on tape.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

What does her prospective imprisonment mean for either the NFL or Rice? She is not an NFL Running Back, she is not an NFL official. This is deflection at its finest. You're trying to assert that her hitting Rice has anything to do with the real issue here which is a man who can run through a concrete wall unloading two cold cocks on his fiance. Deflecting the blame to the woman? Jesus Christ man, you probably think rape is ok because a female dresses in scant clothing.

This is an old weak and tired excuse. What you saw was a woman committing battery PERIOD. What you saw was a man committing battery PERIOD. Everyone is too busy trying to be macho hero they cant see the reality of the situation. You CANNOT take a single domestic incident and think you suddenly know the whole story. Chivalry isnt the law. You cannot go around hitting (and allegedly spitting on) people and be immune to consequence. Id love to see a woman come up and start smacking you in the face and your retort be "its ok officer Im bigger than her so its ok for me to get smacked". Wanting her to face justice for her smacking him does not equate to an excuse for him to hit her. Its not rocket science. That video showed two assaults one is forgiven because shes a woman ? GTFO thats now how the legal system works or should work. Being the predominant aggressor doesn't excuse the initial behavior. This isnt just about the NFL and Rice otherwise your point would stand. Bottom line in the "real world" a woman assaulted a man and is benefiting with millions of dollars. A man assaulted a woman and has lost his career , and half of his worth. That's not justice that's a lopsided legal system and sends a nasty message to women that they can basically do as they please and provoke violence and they'll not only not be punished legally but actually rewarded for it.

As for the NFL , for the sake of public outrage its downright negligent and stupid for them (Goodell) to refuse to see the video or to have seen it and not acknowledge it from the get go. I agree him interviewing them together looks terrible. Any reasonable person would conclude Rice knocked her out. Even if he never saw the video Goodell is a fool for not approaching it that way. He decided to pander to public pressure and failed. Now the truth everyone knows is out and the truth everyone should have known (NFL doesnt really give a shit about domestic violence) is even more apparent.

 

[Pitty]

I didn't deflect the blame. I cast it on both of them. I don't see how her hitting him is irrelevant. Unless, again, you think it is ok for a woman to hit a man.

The rest of your blather about the NFL makes no sense. I never asserted the NFL should punish her.

Then what's your point, do you beat your dog if it nips you when you take its toy?

That's the equivalent of a 230 pound NFL RB being "assaulted" by a 100 pound woman.