The Trade Deadline Thread

[FirstTimer]

Anyone know anything about the kids the Cubs got?

Abner Abreu and pitcher Carlton Smith

25 yo AA pitcher. Shitty stats on the year.

21 y/o OF/DH type at Single A. Decent power. No plate discipline.

400 strikeouts, 80 walks in his career

Basically nothing.

 

[FirstTimer]

He's a butcher in the field.
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Disagree.

Fukudome to me is an average to above average OF'er. Fielding metrics can lick my taint.

He plays in one of the most difficult RF's in all of baseball and plays(ed) it very well. He's not going to "wow" anyone out there but he's not a butcher.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Why do I feel like I've heard the name Abner Abreu? Was he once highly regarded?

 

[EmpireWF]

Why do I feel like I've heard the name Abner Abreu? Was he once highly regarded?

http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2010/03/indians-top-50-5-abner-abreu.html

 

[FirstTimer]

Why do I feel like I've heard the name Abner Abreu? Was he once highly regarded?

The name sounded familair to me too.

He was at once time a decently regarded prospect in the Indians system.

Here's a short writeup I found on him from before last year from IndiansProspectInsider:
http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2010/03/indians-top-50-5-abner-abreu.html

History: Abreu was signed by the Indians as an undrafted free agent in October 2006 out of the Dominican Republic. When the Indians worked him out they loved his power potential and quickly signed him for $75,000. As a 17-year old in the Dominican Summer League in 2007 he opened some eyes after he piled up 24 extra base hits in 228 at bats, and in 2008 with the rookie level Gulf Coast League team finished with 31 extra base hits and led the league in doubles (16), home runs (11), total bases (107) and slugging percentage (.538). Last year at Low-A Lake County he only hit .208 with 0 HR, 3 RBI and a .532 OPS in 17 April games, but in 29 games in May hit .348 with 6 HR, 22 RBI, and a .982 OPS, and in 17 games in June hit .339 with 1 HR, 5 RBI, and a .930 OPS before his season ended due to a shoulder injury.

Strengths & Opportunities: When the Indians signed Abreu they loved his raw ability with the bat and his loose, wiry frame. He is an impressive athlete dripping with tools that has some of the best raw power of anyone in the entire organization. As he grows into his big frame he has the potential to add much more strength with the chance to have plus power at the major league level. His swing is effortless and generates excellent bat speed where he crushes balls to all fields and can hit the ball out to any part of any ballpark. The ball just sounds different off of his bat, and he shows an innate ability to square up the baseball well when he makes contact. He has strong hands and wrists that create a natural whip in his swing that is hard to teach, and showcases a very quick bat on inside pitches that allows him to drive the ball pull side. He is a very aggressive hitter so is prone to strikeouts, but has shown an ability to make contact with pitches all over the zone. For his age he recognizes pitches very well, and as he matures and moves up he is expected to get even better in this area.

Abreu's build and look is a lot like his favorite player Alfonso Soriano in that he is very lean and lanky with very long arms and legs, but even with his wiry frame he has some awesome raw power and the ball just explodes off his bat. While he is tall and very skinny, he has a body that will allow him to gain weight and grow into it more the next few seasons. Though his speed does not show on the bases, he is an average runner. He is a quiet player, but is very patient, confident and a hard worker. He also speaks good English, which helps him communicate and fit in better with his American teammates.

Not only is Abreu a gifted hitter, but he has proven to be a very versatile, gifted defender as well. In fact, his best, most consistent tools may be his defense and throwing arm. He came into the Indians organization as a shortstop, but they moved him to third base in 2008 with the Gulf Coast league team and he displayed some real soft hands and good range at the position. Because of his athleticism, cannon for an arm, and powerful bat, they moved him to right field last year because they view him as an impact defender and bat at that position and he made huge strides out there for his first year at the position. Some scouts have compared him to a young Vladimir Guerrero in the minors not only because of the promising power bat, but because of the high level of defense he plays in right field. He shows crazy range in right field tracking down balls in the gaps or on the line with ease, and almost looks like he is gliding out there. As he gets bigger and stronger it will probably limit the ridiculous range he has now, but he projects as a well above average defensive outfielder with excellent arm strength and accuracy.

Abreu struggled a lot the first month of last season, but the Indians believe his early struggles last year had something to do with the cold weather since it was his first experience playing in it. Once the weather started to heat up in May and he settled in, he took off. Another reason for the early struggles was that he was initially too geared up for the fastball, so he was slow on the curveball and left the zone too much on other pitches which resulted in him often getting himself out. The struggles resulted in a loss of confidence and he became tentative in the early going, especially considering all the breaking balls he was seeing. He did a poor job of recognizing pitches he could have probably driven, but after some work in the cages with him they got him to stay confident with his approach and simplified it so he would be better able to attack the right pitches. He really began to settle in and was on his way to a monster breakout year, but in June injured his shoulder when he dove for a ball in the outfield. He ended up separating his shoulder which resulted in season ending surgery.

While Abreu has all the tools to be a big league superstar, he is also still very raw and has yet to play at a more advanced level in High-A or Double-A which often weed out the pretenders. He is a very aggressive hitter at the plate so he will likely always be prone to high strikeout totals and a low amount of walks. The key going forward is not to significantly reduce the strikeouts, but to better improve his plate discipline where he can work counts a little more by being a little more patient to wait for his pitch and draw a few more walks. Developing that plate discipline is a key attribute for him if he wishes to experience success as he moves further along in the system, and is a goal he has set for this coming season to focus on. The Indians also made a subtle adjustment to his stance as he was standing too straight up whereas he is now leaning more forward. He needs to work on strengthening his core and the mental side of the game without swinging a bat. He is also just an average runner down the line and does not steal any bases, but it is felt he can improve in both of these areas. Once he gets healthy and continues to learn his swing and strike zone he is going to be an even more special player than he already is.

Outlook: Abreu's youth combined with his unbelievable raw power and defensive ability make him an exciting player to watch as he continues to grow as a player the next few years. His ceiling is unlimited, and he is no doubt the most talented player in the Indians system below Double-A. The scary part is that so many of his tools are already playing, yet he has not reached his peak physically or mentally, so much more is expected to come. The shoulder injury he suffered last year really put a damper on what was a great year, and had he not been injured he may have gotten a lot more recognition from national publications going into this season. He is expected to be 100% healthy this spring, and considering he only played about two months at Low-A Lake County last year he likely will return there to start the 2010 season, but should move quickly to High-A Kinston and spend the majority of his season there.

 

[Goober]

Why do I feel like I've heard the name Abner Abreu? Was he once highly regarded?

He put up some decent numbers as a teenager in rookie ball, but since he moved up his slugging has dropped and strikeouts have skyrocketed.

 

[FirstTimer]

Indian Prospects Insider had him as the Indians #22 spec coming into this season.

He was 15th pre 2009 and 5th pre 2010.

 

[Goober]

Indian Prospects Insider had him as the Indians #22 spec coming into this season.

He was 15th pre 2009 and 5th pre 2010.

Baseball America had him at #23 last year, and dropped him off the top 30 before this year. Weird that the Indian website valued him so much.If anyone has insider, here's KLaw's take:
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog...382&_slug_=indians-get-marginal-gain-fukudome

 

[FirstTimer]

Baseball America had him at #23 last year, and dropped him off the top 30 before this year. Weird that the Indian website valued him so much.

He's one of those boom or bust guys. Big time potential. Really raw but great tools.. Easy to see why the flucuation on guys like that. No real consensus.

Decent BA article on the trade:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2011/2612158.html

 

[NAHSTE]

Why do I feel like I've heard the name Abner Abreu? Was he once highly regarded?

LOL at that mismatched name. Sounds like one of those auto-generated names from MVP 05 when they just used first and last names of current players. You would see guys like Ichiro Guerrero and Roberto Berkman if you got deep enough into franchise mode.

 

[Rudi]

MVP 05 was one of the GOAT games.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He put up some decent numbers as a teenager in rookie ball, but since he moved up his slugging has dropped and strikeouts have skyrocketed.

He's Dominican. You don't walk off the island.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Disagree.

Fukudome to me is an average to above average OF'er. Fielding metrics can lick my taint.

He plays in one of the most difficult RF's in all of baseball and plays(ed) it very well. He's not going to "wow" anyone out there but he's not a butcher.

Fuk u, do me.

 

[Goober]

@Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#Brewers doing background work on Furcal. Also interested in Carroll. #Dodgers will trade one. Not both. #tradedeadline #MLB

Prefer Carroll, but I'd take either one.

 

[Goober]

Apparently the Rays just sent Felipe Lopez over to the Brewers for cash considerations. He's a versatile guy, he played 3rd and 1st for us this season in about 80 or so games before he was sent down. Not sure if this is your replacement for weeks for 2-4 weeks though.

SPTimesRays Marc Topkin
#Rays make a trade … Felipe Lopez to Brewers foir cash considerations

Three way trade!
Braves get Will Nieves
Brewers get Felipe Lopez
Rays get ONE DOLLAR!

 

[ThomasTomasz]

The Nats are really pushing for a centerfielder for this year and beyond. They've been linked with BJ Upton and another possible rumor thats floated out there is sending Drew Storen over to the Twins for Denard Span.

 

[Slateman]

Because we don't have one.

Look at the Nationals lineup. Its filled with 20+ homer run power. Morse, Zimmerman, Espinosa, Werth.

We need to get guys on base, so that those solo shots can be multi-RBI homers.

Capable closers are always available. K-Rod was available for nothing. The Padres want to trade Bell. Capps last year. Personally, I think closers are somewhat overrated. They also rarely have long careers with the same team. For every Mariano Rivera there's a Bobby Jenks and Eric Gagne. Brandon League was average last year. Same with Joel Hanrahan.

How many decent leadoff hitters are there in baseball? How many great fielding center fielders who can hit for average and get on base?

Nats can find a new closer. Hell, Clippard could close. They can't find anyone who can produce in the leadoff spot.

 

[Goober]

Ken Rosenthal
#Reds in 4th place, 6 out. Rolen, Cozart on DL. Rival GM on Jocketty's course; "Seems like he isn't sure right now." #tradedeadline #MLB

6.5 now. :smug:

 

[EmpireWF]

ESPN says interest in Hunter Pence has "exploded."

Houston may end up changing their mind if someone offers them a boatload for the kid.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

ESPN says interest in Hunter Pence has "exploded."

Houston may end up changing their mind if someone offers them a boatload for the kid.

Beltran was the domino that needed to fall.

Then you change direction to Pence.

I'm shocked the Phillies haven't offered Singleton and change for Pence.