Top 10 GOAT Heavyweight Champs

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Lewis didnt go out there looking for 1 punch KO's, he just boxed you up and got the win, his only 2 losses he avenged in brutal fashion

Lewis is very underrated in the all time ranks, with his size and boxing skills, I would match him up against anyone and like his chances

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I know its hard to let go KOF, but that Tyson you watched, he never fought great comp and guys were shaking in there boots before fighting Mike

Mitch Blood Green wasnt scared and he went the distance with Tyson and he was even that good

Neither did Lennox Lewis or RoyJones Jr. RJJ and Tyson both absolutely wrecked and humiliated guys. Tyson unified the title and made sure ranked and up and comers were nobodies. Once again when you are THAT good and THAT dominant whos going to pose a challenge ? People want to dismiss everyone after a fight but many of these guys were considered legit and pretty damn good fighters before stepping in the ring with Tyson. Your assertion that he could be bullied etc is just really off the mark. The only people that say that are holding on to Old Tyson. Thats like me judging Foreman only on his post Grill making days.

If your best argument was one guy who wasnt scared went the distance its not doing much. Lennox had everyone go the distance on him. He couldnt take care of guys that had no business in the ring with him let alone the sport of boxing. Aging vets, flash KOs by nobodies and losing to a guy whos career highlight was crying in the ring is hardly a resume that can compete.

Lastly Blood Green and Tyson were both less that 20 fights into there careers. Green did nothing much outside of Hug Tyson for 10 rounds despite 8 inches of height advantage and a bunch of Gold gloves to his name. Hardly in argument over "not being scared".

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Lewis didnt go out there looking for 1 punch KO's, he just boxed you up and got the win, his only 2 losses he avenged in brutal fashion

Lewis is very underrated in the all time ranks, with his size and boxing skills, I would match him up against anyone and like his chances

Neither did Tyson till after Cus died. He wasnt trained that way and it was Don King who forced him into that style.
Tyson threw combinations and came at you from every angle. Noone was able to handle that combination of Power and Speed. As fast as anyone but hit like Foreman.
Lewis couldnt knock anyone out. Holyfield was a guy whod outbox you. Lewis tried numerous times in his career to take guys out and got exposed. Noone was afraid to get hit by him and it really wasnt a big deal to get a Lewis punch and just move on.

 

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Neither did Lennox Lewis or RoyJones Jr. RJJ and Tyson both absolutely wrecked and humiliated guys. Tyson unified the title and made sure ranked and up and comers were nobodies. Once again when you are THAT good and THAT dominant whos going to pose a challenge ? People want to dismiss everyone after a fight but many of these guys were considered legit and pretty damn good fighters before stepping in the ring with Tyson. Your assertion that he could be bullied etc is just really off the mark. The only people that say that are holding on to Old Tyson. Thats like me judging Foreman only on his post Grill making days.

If your best argument was one guy who wasnt scared went the distance its not doing much. Lennox had everyone go the distance on him. He couldnt take care of guys that had no business in the ring with him let alone the sport of boxing. Aging vets, flash KOs by nobodies and losing to a guy whos career highlight was crying in the ring is hardly a resume that can compete.

Lastly Blood Green and Tyson were both less that 20 fights into there careers. Green did nothing much outside of Hug Tyson for 10 rounds despite 8 inches of height advantage and a bunch of Gold gloves to his name. Hardly in argument over "not being scared".

See above you

Lewis didnt go out there looking for 1 punch KO's, he just boxed you up and got the win, his only 2 losses he avenged in brutal fashion

Lewis is very underrated in the all time ranks, with his size and boxing skills, I would match him up against anyone and like his chances

Tyson has no real quality wins, Spinks (past his prime small HW), Holmes (Over the hill), etc...

When tyson got checked, he usual folded

 

[Liquidrob]

Neither did Tyson till after Cus died. He wasnt trained that way and it was Don King who forced him into that style.
Tyson threw combinations and came at you from every angle. Noone was able to handle that combination of Power and Speed. As fast as anyone but hit like Foreman.
Lewis couldnt knock anyone out. Holyfield was a guy whod outbox you. Lewis tried numerous times in his career to take guys out and got exposed. Noone was afraid to get hit by him and it really wasnt a big deal to get a Lewis punch and just move on.

funny you say Lennox couldnt KO anyone, but he has 41 wins, 32 by KO

He took out penalty of guys, he just was a pure boxer, Lewis had puncing power, he was just as happy to beat you with boxing skills and get the win as with a KO

He only got 'exposed' twice and than he brutally beat both those guys down, he made 1 of them cry and quit

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

See above you



Tyson has no real quality wins, Spinks (past his prime small HW), Holmes (Over the hill), etc...

When tyson got checked, he usual folded

Its easy to knock Tysons career. But theres simply NOTHING on Lewis' resume that is at all impressive either. Difference is Tyson had one of the great reigns in boxing. He unified the title and was as good as any boxer ever. Period. That insane height of greatness gives him an edge over Lewis on an all time ranking. 1on1 talk Lewis simply gets handed his ass.

Bottom line Lennox Lewis is the Drew Bledsoe/Vinny Testaverde of boxing.

Career record-Lewis
Difficulty of competition - Both careers have significant portions in the weak eras.
Height of Career/Accomplishments-Tyson.
Abilities-Tyson again by a mile.
Who wins a fight-Tyson by a mile.

I dont see a scenario where Lewis gets listed higher than Tyson on an all timer list.

 

[Liquidrob]

Its easy to knock Tysons career. But theres simply NOTHING on Lewis' resume that is at all impressive either. Difference is Tyson had one of the great reigns in boxing. He unified the title and was as good as any boxer ever. Period. That insane height of greatness gives him an edge over Lewis on an all time ranking. 1on1 talk Lewis simply gets handed his ass.

Bottom line Lennox Lewis is the Drew Bledsoe/Vinny Testaverde of boxing.

Career record-Lewis
Difficulty of competition - Both careers have significant portions in the weak eras.
Height of Career/Accomplishments-Tyson.
Abilities-Tyson again by a mile.
Who wins a fight-Tyson by a mile.

I dont see a scenario where Lewis gets listed higher than Tyson on an all timer list.

Lennox pretty much unified the titles, he beat Holyfield in that 'draw' and wouldnt fight for the IBF or whatever, he was the dominate champ in his era just like Tyson was

He KO'ed Razor Ruddock in 2 rounds, Tyson had to fight him twice

He beat Evander, Tyson lost to Evander twice

Lenox has no losses on his career that he didnt avenge

Lewis is just a better fighter than Mike, Mike was a can crusher (amazing to watch) until he got crushed by Buster Douglas

 

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Bottom line Lennox Lewis is the Drew Bledsoe/Vinny Testaverde of boxing.

lol @ this awful analogy

yes, because Drew and Vinny were the best in there time, champions,etc...

A better anology (but still not completely accurate) would be Mike Tyson being the Mike Vick of boxing, dominate in college against inferior comp (pre jail) and an overrated ticket selling hype train in the pros (post jail)

 

[ThunderHorse]

But Lewis so fucking BORING to watch!

 

[nflman2033]

interesting box rec's top 10
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?country=&sex=m&division=Heavyweight&status=E&SUBMIT=Go

1 Muhammad Ali 56 (37KO) - 5 - 0
2 Joe Louis 65 (51KO) - 3 - 0
3 Jack Johnson 73 (40KO) - 13 - 9
4 Floyd Patterson 55 (40KO) - 8 - 1
5 Harry Wills 80 (52KO) - 10 - 5
6 Ezzard Charles 93 (52KO) - 25 (7) - 1
7 Larry Holmes 69 (44KO) - 6 - 0
8 Sam Langford 203 (129KO) - 46 - 52
9 Joe Frazier 32 (27KO) - 4 - 1
10 Rocky Marciano 49 (43KO) - 0 - 0

I think I would have to go with

1. Muhammed ALi
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Jack Dempsey
5. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Frazier
7. Gene Tunney
8.George Foreman
9.Lennox Lewis
10.Evander Holyfield

 

[nflman2033]

But Lewis so fucking BORING to watch!

yeah but its not a top 10 list of most exciting to watch

 

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But Lewis so fucking BORING to watch!

yeah, I'm a lewis fan and he can be pretty boring

 

[Senser81]

fix your posts, on your list you say you doubt anyone below Frazier could beat him, when Foreman not only beat him twice he embarassed him like a little bitch. granted styles make fights and you can say Frazier was better, but lets be honest Frasier over Foreman I just done see it.

LOL, good catch. I guess I am the BBIB of boxing debates.

one thing I want to point out here while I am on this Foreman thing is Holyfield, I think he has been underrated in this thread, sure him sticking around way too long hurts him, however people don't seem to hold that against Tyson, the only knock on Holyfield in his prime is Bowe, who had a decent career, but it seems like people don't seem to give Holyfield credit for beating Foreman because of his age, but seriously George will tell you as well as many other experts, Old George would beat Young George, he had the same power with better skills, the only thing not there was speed and young Foreman was never about speed. Holyfield beat Foreman at the peak of his comeback which was before Foreman beat Moorer.

Holyfield was the guy I rooted for after Tyson was sent to prison. I don't think he was all that talented, and he was small for a heavyweight, but he got the most out of his limited abilities. More talented losers like Riddick Bowe could handle Holyfield if they really tried, so thats why I can't include Holyfield among the greatest of all time.

Holyfield's win over old George was not a thing of beauty. A very drab fight, ending in an uninspiring decision. Foreman's win over Moorer was kind of a joke, because Moorer was controlling the entire fight but Foreman landed a one-punch knockout. Props to Old George, but I don't think his win over Moorer is indicitive of 'dominance' on Foreman's part.

 

[Senser81]

also, Ali just didnt have the KO power to take out Lewis with 1 shot, he would be at the end of Lennox's jab all night

Lewis never had a problem winning a boring fight with his skills

Ali didn't have the KO power to take out Glass Lewis with 1 shot, but Oliver McCall did?

 

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Ali didn't have the KO power to take out Glass Lewis with 1 shot, but Oliver McCall did?

the 2 shots that KO'ed lewis from McCall and Rahman would have KO'ed almost any fighter

Lewis's glass jaw is a little over blown, its very hard to be a champ and win that many fights and have a glass jaw

 

[Senser81]

interesting box rec's top 10
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?country=&sex=m&division=Heavyweight&status=E&SUBMIT=Go




I think I would have to go with

1. Muhammed ALi
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Jack Dempsey
5. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Frazier
7. Gene Tunney
8.George Foreman
9.Lennox Lewis
10.Evander Holyfield

Whoa, you have Frazier above Foreman? For shame! Also, nice job having 11 boxers comprise your "top 10".

Epic Fail. j/k

 

[Senser81]

the 2 shots that KO'ed lewis from McCall and Rahman would have KO'ed almost any fighter

Lewis's glass jaw is a little over blown, its very hard to be a champ and win that many fights and have a glass jaw

I guess I don't understand how you can claim that Tyson would fold (did you even see his fight against Lennox Lewis? Tyson was outclassed, but he took his beating like a man), while Lewis would get KO'd by borderline contenders like McCall and Rahman. Tyson destroyed KO artists like Frank Bruno and Bonecrusher Smith.

 

[Liquidrob]

I guess I don't understand how you can claim that Tyson would fold (did you even see his fight against Lennox Lewis? Tyson was outclassed, but he took his beating like a man), while Lewis would get KO'd by borderline contenders like McCall and Rahman. Tyson destroyed KO artists like Frank Bruno and Bonecrusher Smith.

I dont understand your point, of course Tyson could land a KO shot on Lewis, he hits hard as fuck, but I think Lennox wins that fight 9 out of 10 times, his style is too much for Tyson IMO, he is big, strong and technically superior

Tyson took his beating, but he didnt do much in that fight, just like against Evander and some others where he didnt dominate from the start

Also, like I said earlier, on both of Lewis's losses he came back and destroyed both McCall and Rahman

 

[Senser81]

I dont understand your point, of course Tyson could land a KO shot on Lewis, he hits hard as fuck, but I think Lennox wins that fight 9 out of 10 times, his style is too much for Tyson IMO, he is big, strong and technically superior

Tyson took his beating, but he didnt do much in that fight, just like against Evander and some others where he didnt dominate from the start

Also, like I said earlier, on both of Lewis's losses he came back and destroyed both McCall and Rahman

My point is that I think you are being too critical of Tyson "folding" and not being able to stand up to people that weren't afraid of him (Tyson really had no trouble handling Mitch Green...credit Green for going the distance, but it wasn't a Creed-Balboa fight), while at the same time giving a pass to Lennox Lewis, who actually did fold to inferior fighters like McCall and Rahman.

 

[Liquidrob]

My point is that I think you are being too critical of Tyson "folding" and not being able to stand up to people that weren't afraid of him (Tyson really had no trouble handling Mitch Green...credit Green for going the distance, but it wasn't a Creed-Balboa fight), while at the same time giving a pass to Lennox Lewis, who actually did fold to inferior fighters like McCall and Rahman.

yeah, I probably am

really tough to gauge tyson, you have like 3 or 4 versions of him, but thats the info we have to go off of

you have young tyson, post cus tyson, after jail tyson and sideshow tyson