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UFC 168: Weidman vs. Silva 2 (12/28 on PPV)

Easily murdered? I don't think Silva showed anything in either fight that would lead to that assumption. Even in the second fight he was being outclassed in striking and his approach in that fight was the same as always. Idk if his chin is there anymore tbh, when you have guys like Chael Sonnen dropping you, now this, I think we have to bring his chin into question.
 
Easily murdered? I don't think Silva showed anything in either fight that would lead to that assumption. Even in the second fight he was being outclassed in striking and his approach in that fight was the same as always. Idk if his chin is there anymore tbh, when you have guys like Chael Sonnen dropping you, now this, I think we have to bring his chin into question.

The first fight Silva was humiliating Weidman as he always does in the second. Once he gets to that stage in a fight it's murder. Maia fight was the exception because he refused to engage but every other time results on some guy getting KOd in humiliating fashion. Nothing I saw led me to believe Weidman would have lasted on his feet in that first fight. Too many guys have done the same thing to Silva early looked good only to end up on a DVD cover.

His chin has always relied on timing more than anything.Hes not Leben or Nelson just absorbing and marching forward. He moves with punches so Chaels pursuit and Weidmans weird backhand in first fight leading to knockdowns isn't a sign his chin is gone perse...it's a sign that even a half a millisecond loss of speed will have bad results with that toy style. Silva throwing with hands up isn't what kills guys it's in the clinch or throwing from the hips where he's on your button before you realize it.
Two fluky not proving anything wins for Chris and two bizarre losses for Silva leave a bad mark on that belt. If Weidman goes on with a good reign okeydoke. But if he goes and loses right away it reiterates what a miserable pair of fights these Weidman/Silva have had. IMO biggest letdown since Couture/Vitor.
 
The only guy that Silva has humiliated (KO) that I would say is of similar striking and athletic ability is Vitor. I'm not taking anything away from his standup, I still think it's one of the most impressive there is in MMA, but it is worth pointing out that most of his KO highlights come from guys like Chael, Bonnar, Griffin... Primarily wrestlers or BJJ guys with sub-par striking or guys who just didn't have the speed or athletic ability to compete. What he did against Griffin isn't happening against someone like Weidman.

Again, not putting him down, he's still #1 or 2 all-time imo, but Weidman definitely deserves more credit. Checking that kick with his knee was no fluke. Neither was the great gnp, dropping him, etc.
 
The only guy that Silva has humiliated (KO) that I would say is of similar striking and athletic ability is Vitor. I'm not taking anything away from his standup, I still think it's one of the most impressive there is in MMA, but it is worth pointing out that most of his KO highlights come from guys like Chael, Bonnar, Griffin... Primarily wrestlers or BJJ guys with sub-par striking or guys who just didn't have the speed or athletic ability to compete. What he did against Griffin isn't happening against someone like Weidman.

Again, not putting him down, he's still #1 or 2 all-time imo, but Weidman definitely deserves more credit. Checking that kick with his knee was no fluke. Neither was the great gnp, dropping him, etc.

Hey may deserve more credit but only other fights will give it to him. Fluky fights don't earn cred.
Weidman is nothing exceptional either. He's extremely well rounded but he's neither fast nor exceptional in any one area he's a plodding wrestling white guy just like the rest.
You're also forgetting he went up a weight class and humiliated 3 guys.
He highlight reeled Vitor who almost broke Jones arm and upset him and has since mauled everyone else.
Noone but Jon Jones is on Andersons prebreak athletic level so not really fair.

I'm not knocking Weidman but these fights don't prove anything to me about his ability. Only thing I've learned about him is he's well spoken post fight.
Despite people trying to contradict me Silvas been looking for the door , took this fight reluctantly and was on retirement plans since before Weidman 1. Machida dropping to 185 is no coincedence. That division is wide open and feels a lot like 170 where there's no longer a clear champ. These fights leave a bad taste in my mouth.
I thought Gustaffson beat Jones also so maybe I'm just a jaded MMA fan. Only division over 155 with a clear champ to me is HW. I'm looking forward to Travis Browne making a case for a title shot.
On the bright side every division seems pretty wide open now. I prefer Cormier at HW but at 205 he could make things interesting. Pettis is awesome. Rousey is fun as hell. The cockroach weights don't interest me. So meh we'll see.
 
Weidman hasnt lost a round to Silva

Silva dancing before getting KOd in the 2nd didnt do anything for him besides getting KOd
 
That is a very quick turn around for Rousey, but amazing how she basically just took that PPV away from Evans and Cormier because of what she did tonight.

Though considering tate was ranked second and McMann is 10th, this should be a fairly easy cake walk for her.

Sara is a Olympic silver medalist in wrestling, Rhonda won't be able to rag doll her like previous women, Tate was a high school wrestler

McMann just is green to MMA, but she is the best test for Rhonda besides Cyborg, it wilk probably be a sloppy kickboxing match
 
Lol @ weidman is nothing exceptional

He is undefeated, I dont think he has even lost a round yet in MMA and now has two wins over the GOAT

Yeah, he is OK
 
Lol @ weidman is nothing exceptional

He is undefeated, I dont think he has even lost a round yet in MMA and now has two wins over the GOAT

Yeah, he is OK

Physically he is nothing special understand the context.
He's had what 8 fights that include two of the flukiest wins in recent memory. Woopdeewoo.
This isn't Jon Jones physically dominating guys and showing freakish things in the cage on his way up.

Guys the least impressive champ since Matt Serra.
 
Show me were Silva outboxed Chris?

Chris hit him more times and harder, that's a pretty good indication of outboxing

Getting KOd usually is a hint also, maybe you're counting dance moves?
 
Silva has this invincible aura surrounding him from outstriking Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar. Because of that no one wants to give Chris his cred for damn near knocking Silva out twice. He has so many highlight reel ko's against Rich Franklin and James Irvin, so what Chris did had to be a fluke. No one can touch the untouchable.

Yet, we've seen time and time again starting with Fedor that no one is unbeatable and all it takes is the right (or bad) stylistic matchup for that to happen. It's not that Chris is a P4P great now, he just had the tools necessary to beat Silva. It started with Sonnen showing that Silva could be dominated on the ground, and if you're not afraid of Silva and press him that he can be hurt and dropped. Chris being more athletic than Sonnen was able to finish what he started. Getting a TKO off of something he practiced and prepared for is no fluke either.
 
Physically he is nothing special understand the context.
He's had what 8 fights that include two of the flukiest wins in recent memory. Woopdeewoo.
This isn't Jon Jones physically dominating guys and showing freakish things in the cage on his way up.

Guys the least impressive champ since Matt Serra.

Just wrong.

Great wrestler, great jiu-jitsu, KO power as a striker...how is he not impressive?

Only two of his UFC fights have went the distance (and 1 of those was when he cut something like 30 pounds in a week to fight Demian Maia on short notice).
 
You guys are being retarded. PHYSICALLY Weidman is NOTHING special. Get over it. He's not exceptionally fast , strong, quick , heavy handed etc for his weight period.
Name another "champ" who's gotten a belt and first title defense with less impressive victories. Please go ahead.

Getting absolutely clowned and catching a guy who was literally doing some Ric Flair shit and then winning because the guy broke his leg on a checked kick is by far and away the most bizarre pair of wins in MMA history. The fact he got a belt and title defense out of it changes nothing of how absurd those victories are.

Vitor wasn't scared , Iron head Leben wasn't scared , Okami wasn't scared , Hendo wasn't scared... quit making excuses. People always pressed Silva and Silva made a habit of humiliating guys for it. Silva chased noone. People chased him. Silva was always an easy guy to get on the ground , Hendo, Chael twice,Didn't Lutter full mount him in the first ?.
And what happened every time ? Silva weathers it , comes out in round 2 and does some bizarre CGI finish .
Noone is saying he's a bum or completely unimpressive. Simply nothing special has been shown and he's the least impressive champ in recent memory.
 
Lol, stop

Chris isn't big and strong? Lol, not heavy handed? Didn't he just KO a guy who hasn't been KOd in his career? Didn't he just drop that same guy with a hook from the clinch?

He just won the belt, such a dumb question anyway, ok, name another champ who has two wins in a row against the guy who is considered the GOAT and hasn't lost in 8 years prior to that, ok, go!
 
I won't comment on the 2nd fight because we don't know what would have happened, but Weidman had more total strikes, sig strikes, takedowns, control, sub attempts, knockdowns....you name it, in the 1st fight. This being against the best fighter to have ever lived. How is that not impressive to you?
 
FWIW, Fedor wasnt particularly physically impressive either KOF, nor was Big Nog. Couture also nothing special from a purely physical standpoint. (Granted Couture is a bit overrated by some, imo, but the point stands.) Royce Gracie wasnt exactly a physical specimen either. Frankie Edgar is on that list as well. Also not particularly impressive physical specimens: Rich Franklin, Chuck "The Beergut" Liddell, Forrest Griffin, Evan Tanner, Josh Barnett. Thats a whole lot of UFC Champs that werent physical specimens. Granted, Liddell and Fedor had heavy, heavy hands, but Weidman is far from pillow-fisted. He's an incredibly well rounded fighter with solid boxing, great wrestling, and what seems to be an uncanny knack for BJJ.

As for champs with less impressive wins, Couture got the HW crown and a defense with wins over Sylvia and Bumzaga and then Lesnar took it from him with 1 UFC win on his record. Rich Franklin took his belt from the aforementioned Evan Tanner due to a doctor stoppage before facing off against obvious worldbeaters in Nate Quarry and David Loiseau (woo!). Tito won his belt by beating Wandy (impressive) then went on to defend it against Yuki Kondo (a WW), Evan Tanner (a MW), and Elvis Sinosic (7-11 career record woo!). Frank Shamrock, the previous LHW king, won his belt with a win over Kevin Jackson (who?) followed by a win over Igor Zinoviev (who?) followed by Jeremy Horn and John Lober (who? apparently he beat shamrock before and rode a 6 fight winless streak into a title bout...woo!).

So ya...I can name some title-holders with less impressive resumes, less physically impressive title-holders too.

As for fighters being scared: Leben wasnt scared cuz he's retiring, Okami wasnt scared cuz the loss to Jacare dropped him back out of title contention. Hendo wasnt scared cuz he's a LHW. Vitor not being scared is gonna be sorted out one way or the other the next time they step into the ring.

Not sure where the Weidman hate is coming from but I do understand feeling cheated by the way Silva lost. What we have seen is roughly 2.5 rounds between Weidman and Silva in which Weidman won all rounds and knocked out Silva once. Thats more time than we saw Hendo and Silva fight (and Hendo won round 1 and would've survived round two had he not made a costly mistake...similar to what happened to Silva the first time against Weidman) and more time than Silva and Belfort spent in the cage (Belfort getting KO'd by a blow at least as fluky as Weidman's first KO of Silva). I'm not a huge Weidman fanboy by any stretch. Frankly, I thought he wasnt being thrown to the wolves too soon and needed another big win or two before going up against Silva. I was a surprised as anyone by the first fight, and as let down as anyone by the way the rematch ended. That being said, I have a healthy respect for his skills and what he was able to do in the time he spent in the octagon against Silva.

Going outside the sport for a second, other guys who didnt look that impressive physically or on paper: Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, David Wells, Greg Maddux, Kirby Puckett, Tony Gwynn, Charles Barkley...physical attributes arent everything, it only took one skinny Brazillian and one UFC event to prove that.
 
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