UNC Scandal - 54 Fake Classes, 4 in 10 Football Players Enrolled in Major

[Warner2BruceTD]

I get W2B's point of saying that "Well, this was making sure athletes at the school could play, making it so they were just athletes and not student-athletes, so this has more to do with football." I understand his point, but I don't agree with it.

People are trying to attack W2B by pointing out the child molestation, but in terms of sports, that isn't the part you should be focusing on. Instead, it should be the recruiting and lack of reporting by the Penn State athletic department of crimes within the department, not just by Sandusky but also by many athletes.

If Penn State hadn't covered up Sandusky, they wouldn't have had nearly the recruiting that they had during the last 14 years. This was a decision ingrained in sports, if not, why would they even ask JoePa his opinion on whether or not to report the crimes?

But this goes to an even deeper problem with Penn State and that was the underreporting of crimes within the Athletic Department. JoePa had hold over his team so much that Student Affairs could not touch his players, regardless of any crimes they committed as students. This control was flexed during the Sandusky situation, but this allowed JoePa to have players commit crimes without being suspended a single down from the football team. In this case, they were placing being a good player over being a good citizen.

In both cases, players were seeing the field even though they shouldn't have. However, in the case of Penn State, the image of the university and the football program was allowed to continue its facade for 14 years.

I respectfully disagree with the bold. To me that's conjecture and my feeling is PSU would have been business as usual, with Sandusky being painted a villain, and the train moving along. Paterno would have been lauded as an even bigger hero, too.

Good post.

 

[svetz17]

I respectfully disagree with the bold. To me that's conjecture and my feeling is PSU would have been business as usual, with Sandusky being painted a villain, and the train moving along. Paterno would have been lauded as an even bigger hero, too.

Good post.

:yep:

This thing would be a small blemish on penn state if it were released 14 years ago.

 

[Argath]

UNC has been doing this stuff reportedly for 15+ years now and is involving most of the sports programs. Supposedly academic advisers were steering student athletes to these classes and majors.

How is this not an ESPNs home page?

 

[Sportsbuck]

UNC has been doing this stuff reportedly for 15+ years now and is involving most of the sports programs. Supposedly academic advisers were steering student athletes to these classes and majors.

How is this not an ESPNs home page?

They are still recovering from Tim Tebow's birthday celebration.

 

[Dpfan21]

They are still recovering from Tim Tebow's birthday celebration.

:rofl:

 

[svetz17]

:rofl:

Your name is humorous sir, welcome to VSN

 

[shag773]

I obviously agree with W2B, but I wouldn't use the word "more offensive" when looking at the NC and PSU situations purely from a sports standpoint.

However, NC's discretions do violate particular NCAA by laws, where as Penn State's sanctions were handed down because the NCAA saw it as a violation to an NCAA code of ethical coduct which is vague and questionable in relation to what happened at PSU.

NC should get a similar punishment because they are multiple offenders, it possibly stretches across two sports within the program, and the players that were involved in those classes would of been ineligible to play. Of course the NCAA probably won't because they won't be pressured into doing so, and NC won't pay $6mill to a former FBI director to perform a thorough investigation and hand the NCAA a perverbial bat to bash them in the head with. I'm sure they won't make it as easy as PSU did.

 

[JimLeavy59]

I obviously agree with W2B, but I wouldn't use the word "more offensive" when looking at the NC and PSU situations purely from a sports standpoint.

However, NC's discretions do violate particular NCAA by laws, where as Penn State's sanctions were handed down because the NCAA saw it as a violation to an NCAA code of ethical coduct which is vague and questionable in relation to what happened at PSU.

NC should get a similar punishment because they are multiple offenders, it possibly stretches across two sports within the program, and the players that were involved in those classes would of been ineligible to play. Of course the NCAA probably won't because they won't be pressured into doing so, and NC won't pay $6mill to a former FBI director to perform a thorough investigation and hand the NCAA a perverbial bat to bash them in the head with. I'm sure they won't make it as easy as PSU did.

:smh:

 

[BigBucs]

Pissing contest, as always.

 

[red33]

every arguement on vsn turns into a battle of semantics.

w2b stance is obvious.

UNC-only about sports

PSU-not about sports but involved sports people.

 

[ram29jackson]

this UNC stuff has been going on a couple years anyway as far as the investigation was concerned right ?

no surprise, nothing new.

I said 2 years ago..no program was in the top 40 unless you were cheating some how/some way.

I dont know if it was here or not but at least 3 sites told me i was nuts...are people really this stupid?

it all just depends on the NCAA And when they lay the hammer down and if they feel they can benefit from busting you because they know every single program is up to something bad...

 

[ram29jackson]

what does shag773's avatar mean ?

 

[SuperKevin]

As long as they eliminate the UNC Basketball program I'll be happy.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

what does shag773's avatar mean ?

Bill O'Brien?

B-O-B

 

[shag773]

Bill O'Brien?

B-O-B

Bent Over Boys

Thought I would get that in before someone else did....

 

[JimLeavy59]

Bent Over Boys

Thought I would get that in before someone else did....

I'm calling the FBI on you right now.

 

[shag773]

This may also be unpopular, but I also do not believe that Paterno willingly covered up Sandusky and knowingly allowed him to continue raping children. I believe Paterno was fine with the initial investigation that went nowhere, forced Sandusky out, and thought he was washing his hands of it. I think at the end of his life he realize he made a terrible mistake. I am not letting him off the hook, and I believe if alive he should have been investigated and potentially brought up on charges, but that is my view of how it went down.

I do not think Paterno was an evil man, condoning child rape and knowingly enabling Sandusky.

I also do not believe that the cover up benefited the program in the same way the UNC infractions have. I think that is overblown. Had this come out in 1998, Sandusky would have been in prison sooner, and PSU would have resumed business as usual.

This might be true, but it still doesn't change the end result. If Paterno didn't lie (or forget, leaning towards lied) about what he knew about 98 or his involvement after initially meeting with Schultz and Curry, it would be different. It was a terrible lapse in judgement and it absolutely should tarnish his legacy. Thats why you won't hear me defend Paterno.

 

[Argath]

Bent Over Boys

Thought I would get that in before someone else did....

Put a Y in there and it could be Bring Your Own Boy :smug:

 

[NAHSTE]

Exactly.

Repeat offenders (Penn St was not), blatant cheating and abuse of academics.

Yeah but not because they weren't committing offenses, just that they never got caught and never self-reported any infractions to the NCAA. Most schools will alert the NCAA when there is a minor infraction, and conduct their own investigations when there is a sign of trouble. Leaving Sandusky out of this, there's a mountain of evidence that suggests Paterno kept multiple other offenses and crimes from members of the program from ever reaching the ears of the NCAA, law enforcement or media.

During Paterno's 60-year regime, Penn State was an insulated bubble where players and coaches could do whatever they wanted.

Meanwhile, UNC is a "repeat offender" because they conducted their own self-investigation after a huge scandal was uncovered in 2007 and this is an extension of that. The second shoe dropping, if you will.

I get this is egregious, and UNC should be hit with the book for sure. I just don't think you should be "crediting" Penn State for running a "clean" program up until now, because we all know that's not true.

 

[svetz17]

Yeah but not because they weren't committing offenses, just that they never got caught and never self-reported any infractions to the NCAA. Most schools will alert the NCAA when there is a minor infraction, and conduct their own investigations when there is a sign of trouble. Leaving Sandusky out of this, there's a mountain evidence that sugges Paterno kept multiple other offenses and crimes from members of the program from ever reaching the ears of the NCAA, law enforcement or media.

Under Paterno's 60-year regime, Penn State was an insulated bubble where players and coaches could do whatever they wanted.

Meanwhile, UNC is a "repeat offender" because they conducted their own self-investigation after a huge scandal was uncovered in 2007 and this is an extension of that. The second shoe dropping, if you will.

I get this is egregious, and UNC should be hit with the book for sure. I just don't think you should be "crediting" Penn State for running a "clean" program up until now, because we all know that's not true.

Sadly its true, Psu players got away with anything. Both schools are fucks ups, complete fuck ups.