Who wins NFL MVP?

[BigBucs]

And AP had a pretty ordinary day last Sunday as I already pointed out. In three of the Vikings wins this year he's failed to rush for 100 yards or score a TD. Sorry if I'm not going to call the guy the most valuable when a third of the time his team had success he wasn't.

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This post is so fucking ridiculous.

 

[Glenbino]

This post is so fucking ridiculous.

Explain?

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[ram29jackson]

Why don't you bring up the MVPs since 2000, you know the ones that are actually have some relation to today's style of play. You'll notice all but 3 have been QBs and those 3 RBs that won had phenomenal seasons with minimum 18 touchdowns

Yards have never really factored much into the MVP race in recent history it seems to be point driven which AP is having a good year but not enough for an MVP in that category

why dont you realize i'm bringing up running backs who were on teams that their only strength was running the ball even though the team wasnt a SB contender and had they a record breaking season. it doesnt matter whether it was 12 years ago or 30 years ago. A good/great season by a RB is just that and thats all i'm referring to.

 

[ram29jackson]

you know what ?

Matt Ryan might actually win this year. It actually looks like its between him and Tom Brady.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing

 

[BigBucs]

Explain?

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AP is the biggest reason the Vikes are winning games. Teams putting so much effort into stopping him is the catalyst of their offensive success no matter who is putting up big numbers. Him having 85 yards, or whatever it was, on 25 attempts is as big a reason as any for them to go into Houston and win. His impact tracends the stat sheet but that point is moot because he is having a monster year anyway.

 

[Argath]

why dont you realize i'm bringing up running backs who were on teams that their only strength was running the ball even though the team wasnt a SB contender and had they a record breaking season. it doesnt matter whether it was 12 years ago or 30 years ago. A good/great season by a RB is just that and thats all i'm referring to.

For that to be relevant AP would have to break a record which isn't very likely. Getting to 2000 isn't a record. Why don't you bring up RBs who got 2,000 yards and didnt win MVP.

Chris Johnson
Jamaal Lewis
Eric Dickerson

He'll Eric Dickerson set the record and didnt get MVP and Jamaal Lewis was beat out by 2 QBs including Peyton Manning

History favors the QB not the RB

 

[kmanharris]

What if the Vikes win and AP gets shut down..

Is an 1,800 yard 12 TD season from a back on a 10-6 team really something to write home about?

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Wow at that round down from 1898 to 1800.

 

[ram29jackson]

For that to be relevant AP would have to break a record which isn't very likely. Getting to 2000 isn't a record. Why don't you bring up RBs who got 2,000 yards and didnt win MVP.

Chris Johnson
Jamaal Lewis
Eric Dickerson

He'll Eric Dickerson set the record and didnt get MVP and Jamaal Lewis was beat out by 2 QBs including Peyton Manning

History favors the QB not the RB

fine, its between Matt Ryan and Brady then LOL

 

[Len B]

What if the Vikes win and AP gets shut down..

Is an 1,800 yard 12 TD season from a back on a 10-6 team really something to write home about?

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Yes, when it is the Minnesota Vikings. Your generic stat argument is silly. Let's play one for you since you love generic stats:

Aaron Rodgers has more TD's, less interceptions and a better QB rating than Peyton Manning, and has beaten more playoff bound teams than Peyton Manning while being in a harder division. With your stats logic, why should Peyton Manning win the MVP? Green Bay has had less production out of the RB position than Denver and has yet to lead a team to victory. Denver has had 100 yards rushing 5 games, Green Bay 0. Sounds like Rodgers carries the Packers more than Peyton, no?

EDIT: Also, Rodgers has had to deal with injuries at the WR spot, with his top two WR's being hobbled by injuries this year.

With your logic we should give the award to Rodgers. But if you'd like to backtrack and use the turnaround team side, why can AP not use it?

 

[EmpireWF]

Yards have never really factored much into the MVP race in recent history it seems to be point driven which AP is having a good year but not enough for an MVP in that category

Exactly. The only hold up with AP for me...it's possible he'll finish the year with 11 TDs. For an MVP RB, too low.

fine, its between Matt Ryan and Brady then LOL

ew on Ryan, ugh on Brady. He could get it every year.

 

[Argath]

fine, its between Matt Ryan and Brady then LOL

:facepalm:

 

[Argath]

Yes, when it is the Minnesota Vikings. Your generic stat argument is silly. Let's play one for you since you love generic stats:

Aaron Rodgers has more TD's, less interceptions and a better QB rating than Peyton Manning, and has beaten more playoff bound teams than Peyton Manning while being in a harder division. With your stats logic, why should Peyton Manning win the MVP? Green Bay has had less production out of the RB position than Denver and has yet to lead a team to victory. Denver has had 100 yards rushing 5 games, Green Bay 0. Sounds like Rodgers carries the Packers more than Peyton, no?

EDIT: Also, Rodgers has had to deal with injuries at the WR spot, with his top two WR's being hobbled by injuries this year.

With your logic we should give the award to Rodgers. But if you'd like to backtrack and use the turnaround team side, why can AP not use it?

That's a good argument

 

[ram29jackson]

Exactly. The only hold up with AP for me...it's possible he'll finish the year with 11 TDs. For an MVP RB, too low.



ew on Ryan, ugh on Brady. He could get it every year.

same with Peyton Manning, he has 4, Brady has 2....Rich Gannon has 1 :truestory:

 

[Glenbino]

Yes, when it is the Minnesota Vikings. Your generic stat argument is silly. Let's play one for you since you love generic stats:

Aaron Rodgers has more TD's, less interceptions and a better QB rating than Peyton Manning, and has beaten more playoff bound teams than Peyton Manning while being in a harder division. With your stats logic, why should Peyton Manning win the MVP? Green Bay has had less production out of the RB position than Denver and has yet to lead a team to victory. Denver has had 100 yards rushing 5 games, Green Bay 0. Sounds like Rodgers carries the Packers more than Peyton, no?

EDIT: Also, Rodgers has had to deal with injuries at the WR spot, with his top two WR's being hobbled by injuries this year.

With your logic we should give the award to Rodgers. But if you'd like to backtrack and use the turnaround team side, why can AP not use it?

I've not backtracked once this argument and I wouldn't now. Rodgers gets my vote over AP anyway and is probably right behind Manning for me.

Manning's stats aren't going to be as impressive as guys like Rodgers, Brees or Brady because John Fox is a lot quicker to take his foot off the gas not to mention Denver hasn't really NEEDED to throw the ball that much in the second half for the past few weeks.

For me Brady, Rodgers and Manning are all ahead of AP. Doesn't really matter the order, I'd rather have either of those three than Peterson this season.

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[Glenbino]

AP is the biggest reason the Vikes are winning games. Teams putting so much effort into stopping him is the catalyst of their offensive success no matter who is putting up big numbers. Him having 85 yards, or whatever it was, on 25 attempts is as big a reason as any for them to go into Houston and win. His impact tracends the stat sheet but that point is moot because he is having a monster year anyway.

And Peyton Manning's doesn't? The guy calls our offensive plays for Christ's sake.

He's even made Knowshon Moreno look like a capable player at times. Not to mention the impact he's had on our defense this season by allowing them to play with the lead in fourth quarters and come after the QB.

And I would argue a bigger reason they went into Houston and won was the defense only giving up 187 yards, 6 points and forcing two turnovers... but maybe that's just me?

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[Glenbino]

Wow at that round down from 1898 to 1800.

Whatever a 1,950 yard 12 TD year doesn't exactly make my pants tight either.

 

[kmanharris]

Whatever a 1,950 yard 12 TD year doesn't exactly make my pants tight either.

Mainly because he doesn't wear Blue and Orange.

 

[Glenbino]

Mainly because he doesn't wear Blue and Orange.

Or because its a third of the scoring plays the other guys in the conversation have been a part of..

Like I said of you want to give it to a guy putting up an out of this world season give it to the guy who almost has as many yards receiving despite having a third of APs touches offensively in CJ.

The guy tied for 6th in the league in TDs isn't doing it for me.

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[BigBucs]

And Peyton Manning's doesn't? The guy calls our offensive plays for Christ's sake.

He's even made Knowshon Moreno look like a capable player at times. Not to mention the impact he's had on our defense this season by allowing them to play with the lead in fourth quarters and come after the QB.

And I would argue a bigger reason they went into Houston and won was the defense only giving up 187 yards, 6 points and forcing two turnovers... but maybe that's just me?

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No one is arguing Peytons greatness but you are trying to downplay APs significance to make an argument for your horse. (No pun)