Who wins NFL MVP?

[kmanharris]

Or because its a third of the scoring plays the other guys in the conversation have been a part of..

Like I said of you want to give it to a guy putting up an out of this world season give it to the guy who almost has as many yards receiving despite having a third of APs touches offensively in CJ.

The guy tied for 6th in the league in TDs isn't doing it for me.

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If AP was a Bronco you'd be HEAVILY advocating for him. Don't kid yourself.

CJ has had a phenomenal year, however AP is coming off a knee injury that would have kept most players sidelined for longer and would have certainly changed the type of player they were. Not only did it not hinder him, AP has a chance to break the single season rushing record, and get his team into the playoffs, on a team that has ZERO weapons and is quarterbacked by Christian Ponder.

 

[Glenbino]

If AP was a Bronco you'd be HEAVILY advocating for him. Don't kid yourself.

CJ has had a phenomenal year, however AP is coming off a knee injury that would have kept most players sidelined for longer and would have certainly changed the type of player they were. Not only did it not hinder him, AP has a chance to break the single season rushing record, and get his team into the playoffs, on a team that has ZERO weapons and is quarterbacked by Christian Ponder.

Maybe I would.. maybe I wouldn't but I'd be running into the same arguments I'm presenting.

The injuries to Manning or AP have no bearing on this award or at least shouldn't. They have an award for that. Just like OPOY which I think CJ and Peterson are both prime candidates for.

But when a group of guys is responsible for 200 points on the season or more a piece I'm going to overlook the guy who has contributed 72 for them. Especially if they're all on teams with better records and have been essential in their teams wins.

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[Glenbino]

No one is arguing Peytons greatness but you are trying to downplay APs significance to make an argument for your horse. (No pun)

LOL I'm merely pointing out facts.. like maybe a defense holding someone to under 200 total and forcing two turnovers had more to do with a win than 3.4 YPC and no TDs.

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[BigBucs]

LOL I'm merely pointing out facts.. like maybe a defense holding someone to under 200 total and forcing to turnovers had more to do with a win than 3.4 YPC and no TDs.

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Yet the Broncos defense has nothing to do with them being 13-3. Got it.

 

[kmanharris]

Maybe I would.. maybe I wouldn't but I'd be running into the same arguments I'm presenting.

The injuries to Manning or AP have no bearing on this award or at least shouldn't. They have an award for that. Just like OPOY which I think CJ and Peterson are both prime candidates for.

But when a group of guys is responsible for 200 points on the season or more a piece I'm going to overlook the guy who has contributed 72 for them. Especially if they're all on teams with better records and have been essential in their teams wins.

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So you are also crediting the plays that the WRs make to the QB too? AP's points come from him and him only and you are penalizing him for it? Makes sense.

 

[Glenbino]

Yet the Broncos defense has nothing to do with them being 13-3. Got it.

Tell me which game you were like damn.. the Denver defense really won that game for them. Manning was subpar but the D won it..

I've been waiting all day for Len and ralaw to find me a game where Peyton Manning was not the MOST VALUABLE player in a Broncos win to no avail.. maybe you'll have better luck?

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[kmanharris]

Tell me which game you were like damn.. the Denver defense really won that game for them. Manning was subpar but the D won it..

I've been waiting all day for Len and ralaw to find me a game where Peyton Manning was not the MOST VALUABLE player in a Broncos win to no avail.. maybe you'll have better luck?

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The game where Oakland scored 6 points and racked up 237 yards?

The game the Saints scored a whopping 14 points and had 252 yards and a turnover?

The game where Carolina scored 14 points and had 250 yards and 2 turnovers?

The game where Denver beat the Chiefs 17-9?

 

[ram29jackson]

Tell me which game you were like damn.. the Denver defense really won that game for them. Manning was subpar but the D won it..

I've been waiting all day for Len and ralaw to find me a game where Peyton Manning was not the MOST VALUABLE player in a Broncos win to no avail.. maybe you'll have better luck?

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bad game/s and his numbers are still impressive arent a negative in the long run

 

[BigBucs]

Tell me which game you were like damn.. the Denver defense really won that game for them. Manning was subpar but the D won it..

I've been waiting all day for Len and ralaw to find me a game where Peyton Manning was not the MOST VALUABLE player in a Broncos win to no avail.. maybe you'll have better luck?

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Chiefs game. That was easy.

 

[NAHSTE]

If he breaks the record in a win against GB next week that will be enough, until then voters gonna give it to Peyton.

That's dumb.

 

[Glenbino]

The game where Oakland scored 6 points and racked up 237 yards?

The game the Saints scored a whopping 14 points and had 252 yards and a turnover?

The game where Carolina scored 14 points and had 250 yards and 2 turnovers?

The game where Denver beat the Chiefs 17-9?

What were Manning's numbers in those games again?

Oh that's right.. he threw for 289 and BOTH Denver TDs in the Chiefs win. Boy he sure was lucky the D bailed him out there.

He went for 338 and 3 TDs in the Oakland game you mentioned.. we won 37-6. Way to bail out Peyton defense!

Against New Orleans he had 305 and another 3 TDs and we won 34-14 in a defensive struggle.

And finally he had 301 and a TD in a 36-14 win over the Panthers. Good thing the defense allowed us to sneak by with that 22 point margin.

None of those games are equivalent to a 3.4 YPC no TD game from a running back. Perhaps you misunderstood my question?

Argath should be ashamed he thanked such a sorry effort.


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[BigBucs]

What were Manning's numbers in those games again?

Oh that's right.. he threw for 289 and BOTH Denver TDs in the Chiefs win. Boy he sure was lucky the D bailed him out there.

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:ukiddingme: You know no shame. Defense held their asses to FGs until the offense got their shit together.

 

[Glenbino]

:ukiddingme: You know no shame. Defense held their asses to FGs until the offense got their shit together.

Held their asses? They were going up against Brady Quinn.. They let Jamal Charles run wild in that game and lost the TOP battle. If the Chiefs had half a brain they would have kept running it.

Still if the low point of Manning's season is a divisional win on the road and where he puts up 289 yards and the only two TDs scored in the game that's pretty damn impressive.

More impressive than say.. 3.4 YPC and no TDs.

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[NAHSTE]

Still if the low point of Manning's season is a divisional win on the road and where he puts up 289 yards and the only two TDs scored in the game that's pretty damn impressive.

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I can think of a lower point... :kobe:

 

[Glenbino]

I can think of a lower point... :kobe:

Touche... I got a little ahead of myself there.

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[BigBucs]

Held their asses? They were going up against Brady Quinn.. They let Jamal Charles run wild in that game and lost the TOP battle. If the Chiefs had half a brain they would have kept running it.

Still if the low point of Manning's season is a divisional win on the road and where he puts up 289 yards and the only two TDs scored in the game that's pretty damn impressive.

More impressive than say.. 3.4 YPC and no TDs.

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So never mind the defense only giving up 3 FGs. :bosh: Shit is pointless. U can have it.

 

[Glenbino]

So never mind the defense only giving up 3 FGs. :bosh: Shit is pointless. U can have it.

Brady Quinn bro.. Brady fucking Quinn..

And as good as a game as it was on D.. Wouldn't have mattered if Peyton Manning had come out and laid the QB equivalent of a 3.4 YPC 0 TD performance like AP has been able to do in two wins this year for Minny... That's been my point all along.

 

[Len B]

How Glen thinks we're approaching this argument:

 

[MVPete]

LOL at having multiple neck operations and the rehab that went along with them while hoping his spine would sucessfully fuse together again as taking the year off.

Hilarious post Pete thanks for contributing.

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It's not a knock on either player, I'm saying idk what's more impressive. AP tore up his knee week 16, Manning was out for the entire season. Both are back to playing to their capabilities.

Broncos have the 2nd toughest schedule somehow even with the AFC West sucking major dick this year again. The defenses in the West aren't pushovers, the other 3 teams suck ass due to terrible and inconsistent offenses.

NFC North I would consider the tougher division and the Vikes strength of schedule is 9th, and would be higher if Jim Schwartz didn't suck.

 

[Glenbino]

It's not a knock on either player, I'm saying idk what's more impressive. AP tore up his knee week 16, Manning was out for the entire season. Both are back to playing to their capabilities.

Broncos have the 2nd toughest schedule somehow even with the AFC West sucking major dick this year again. The defenses in the West aren't pushovers, the other 3 teams suck ass due to terrible and inconsistent offenses.

NFC North I would consider the tougher division and the Vikes strength of schedule is 9th, and would be higher if Jim Schwartz didn't suck.

I apologize for but do not rescind my snarky retort in that case.