whos the better overall player Ray Allen or Manu Ginobili

[Kuzzy Powers]

good point hes a good or even great sixth man ray has been in the league a long time starting along time and hes is a perennial allstar unlike manu who is just a great sixth man.

LMAO @ how retarded people are in this thread as it relates to Manu's bench role. Wow....

 

[Yawkey Way]

good point hes a good or even great sixth man ray has been in the league a long time starting along time and hes is a perennial allstar unlike manu who is just a great sixth man.

i don't really put a lot of stock into All-Star, it's all politics.

 

[jags224]

as if anyone cares about 7th in MVP voting..

Ginobili is an explosive scorer and a great sixth man, no one is arguing that. But to come up with all of these crazy idea's to say, " Oh well if he had Ray's minutes his numbers would be this this and this" is stupid. You can't predict someones numbers, especially if you were to take Ginobili out of his comfort zone and make him a starter.
Just this past year, Manu started 7 games. In those 7 games he saw every offensive statistic drop with the more minute he got. Now that could be because he might change his style of play, he may get tired, who knows. All i'm saying is that Ginobili is nothing more than a 6th man. A talented 6th man, but not someone who can do a lot of things on his own.

out of his comfort zone? hes an olympic starter, been starting in europe for years and started with the spurs for a while, and what are you talking about 7 games he started he saw every offensive statistic drop? im pretty sure when he was a starter in 05 he made the all star team.

nothing more than a 6th man? lmao, he is only a 6th man because thats how pop likes it and the system, because mike finley is sure as hell not as good as manu or roger mason

he would start on 26/30 teams

 

[Thesportsguy]

Hes a top SG/All Star SG whichever way you want to spin it . If you would like to show me 3 or 4 better SG's then please do so because I would like to see this list

If you have him ranked at 3 or 4 then it goes to show how many Shooting Guards that start are behind him

I only quoted your post because you made the dumbest comment in this thread imo by saying if he was so good he wouldnt be on the bench or something along those lines .

Do you honestly beleive that right now Ray Allen is a better player? Right at this current moment , they are both fit and healthy we will say . Do you honestly think Ray Allen is a better player?

If you think he is then there is no point in me continuing because it seems like we will never agree and will just agree to disagree.

Once again I only brung up all star/ top Shooting Gaurds because you made that comment about how he would'nt be on the bench if he was so good

let me name 5 for you

1.kobe
2.dwade
3.brandon roy
4.joe johnson
5.Andre Iguodala

 

[Thesportsguy]

LMAO @ how retarded people are in this thread as it relates to Manu's bench role. Wow....

its simple retard allen has started along time manu has come off the bench idiot

 

[Archer]

its simple retard allen has started along time manu has come off the bench idiot

Manu basicly starts , he plays more minutes than any SG on the team and plays against the other teams best players most of the time

People are hanging onto the bench thing because it's all they have right now

 

[Yawkey Way]

out of his comfort zone? hes an olympic starter, been starting in europe for years and started with the spurs for a while, and what are you talking about 7 games he started he saw every offensive statistic drop? im pretty sure when he was a starter in 05 he made the all star team.

nothing more than a 6th man? lmao, he is only a 6th man because thats how pop likes it and the system, because mike finley is sure as hell not as good as manu or roger mason

he would start on 26/30 teams

no one gives a fuck about '05. The question isn't who was a better overall player 4 years ago it's who is the better overall player right now.

 

[Archer]

let me name 5 for you

1.kobe
2.dwade
3.brandon roy
4.joe johnson
5.Andre Iguodala

ROFLCOPTER

Roy , Yes

I got argue Johnson isint and probably get alot of support doing so aswell

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

out of his comfort zone? hes an olympic starter, been starting in europe for years and started with the spurs for a while, and what are you talking about 7 games he started he saw every offensive statistic drop? im pretty sure when he was a starter in 05 he made the all star team.

nothing more than a 6th man? lmao, he is only a 6th man because thats how pop likes it and the system, because mike finley is sure as hell not as good as manu or roger mason

he would start on 26/30 teams

Manu is good that any and every team in the NBA is going to find him a way to get 25-30 minutes a night.. from the bench or in the starting 5. The only knock on Manu is possible durability issues.. but we're talking skill level here.. play on the court. I dont even like Ginobili, infact.. I dislike the guy.. but dude is a money player and trying to swing him like a real bench player is foolish.

Im still lmao @ "if he was good they would start him". Wow..

 

[The Messenger]

let me name 5 for you

1.kobe
2.dwade
3.brandon roy
4.joe johnson
5.Andre Iguodala

Kobe and D-Wade, of course. Brandon Roy... maybe.

Joe Johnson and Iggy? :gtfo:

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

ROFLCOPTER

Roy , Yes

I got argue Johnson isint and probably get alot of support doing so aswell

Even if those 5 are better (its arguable) thats not a huge knock on Manu. Being a top 5-7 SG in the NBA is not a bad thing.

 

[Yawkey Way]

Manu is good that any and every team in the NBA is going to find him a way to get 25-30 minutes a night.. from the bench or in the starting 5. The only knock on Manu is possible durability issues.. but we're talking skill level here.. play on the court. I dont even like Ginobili, infact.. I dislike the guy.. but dude is a money player and trying to swing him like a real bench player is foolish.

Im still lmao @ "if he was good they would start him". Wow..

i don't recall saying that:shifty:

 

[Archer]

no one gives a fuck about '05. The question isn't who was a better overall player 4 years ago it's who is the better overall player right now.

Coming from the guy who is calling him nothing but a 6th man? You called him that and Dwight brung up a stat which shows when he started consistently (not 7 games) he was an all-star . So clearly he is way more than just a 6th man .

Please , people who are using the bench/6th man comments are clutching onto straws at this point imo

 

[Archer]

Even if those 5 are better (its arguable) thats not a huge knock on Manu. Being a top 5-7 SG in the NBA is not a bad thing.

I dont see the Iggy argument at all . Roy I could say sure to and JJ I would agree to disagree

But yeah it's still no knock because either way Allen is behind Manu on the list imo

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

i don't recall saying that:shifty:

Joey P did. All of you arguing against Manu are coming with some retarded shit tho. I know why you're arguing for Ray.. you're a Celtics fan and blinded by homerism.

What about the other fools..

 

[jags224]

let me name 5 for you

1.kobe
2.dwade
3.brandon roy
4.joe johnson
5.Andre Iguodala

the dude came to the league when he was 26, the league is so young now when he was 30 he had his best season hes a late developer, all these guys you named are stars on their team and manu has a HALL OF FAMER in front of him. and give me a break andre iguodala, manu is more of a complete player than him, i love JJ but i also think manu is more of a complete player than him too.

 

[Thesportsguy]

Manu basicly starts , he plays more minutes than any SG on the team and plays against the other teams best players most of the time

People are hanging onto the bench thing because it's all they have right now

does he start though no!!!!!!!!!

i named 5 people better than him what do you have to say about that

the bench thing is a big deal ray is 33 and hes started his whole career if your a starter you whole career that means something. manu is a sixth man

 

[Yawkey Way]

blinded by homerism...if you go back and read any of my posts i haven't even said that Ray is better. I don't think Ray is a better player, but to try and knock me for saying stuff like he's a 6th man at best, and then to come back and argue a point with stats from 2005, BEFORE the injury problems,BEFORE the "7 game starting spell" that i mentioned, and quite honestly when the Spurs were an overall better team is no better.

 

[Archer]

does he start though no!!!!!!!!!

i named 5 people better than him what do you have to say about that

the bench thing is a big deal ray is 33 and hes started his whole career if your a starter you whole career that means something. manu is a sixth man

He doesnt need to , the whole 6th man argument is clutching onto straws from you guys

Hes better than anybody infront of him at SG by a mile at the Spurs so clearly its a tactical thing from Pop more than anything . Please do me a favor and bring something better to the table than wether he starts or not because its wearing thin right now

And having Iggy ahead of him for me is laughble , JJ is arguble and Roy , Wade , Bryant are fair .

 

[Thesportsguy]

nobody can tell me what manu does better than iggy and joe johnson