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You get the exact same deals and pre-order bonuses through our store front as you do from Amazon so please bookmark this link and use it when you are shopping at Amazon.com - [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/"][COLOR="#0000FF"][U]VSN Amazon Store[/U][/COLOR][/URL] Here are some direct links to pre-order the major upcoming titles- [B][SIZE=4][COLOR="#0000FF"]PlayStation 4[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BGA9WK2"]PlayStation 4 500GB Console[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00HVBPRUO"]PlayStation 4 Gold Wireless Headset[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BGA9X9W"]PlayStation 4 DualShock 4 Wireless Controller[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BGAA3S2"]PlayStation 4 Camera[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DCBDNW6"]Final Fantasy XIV: A REALM REBORN[/URL] - April 14th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00J128FPA"]Final Fantasy XIV: A REALM REBORN Collectors Edition[/URL] - April 14th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00IMVRVC4"]Trials Fusion[/URL] - April 15th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GG4BBUM"]MLB 14: The Show[/URL] - May 6th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DHF39KS"]Wolfenstein: The New Order[/URL] - May 20th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BI83EVU"]Watch Dogs[/URL] - May 27th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DYAQHTQ"]Watch Dogs Limited Edition[/URL] - May 27th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00I0574EW"]Murdered Soul Suspect[/URL] - June 3rd [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DHF39HQ"]The Elder Scrolls Online[/URL] - June 30th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BGA9ZZ4"]Drive Club[/URL] - September 30th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GZ1GUSY"]Tomb Raider Definitive Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00H5V9S6E"]Rayman Legends - Standard Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00C27SCC2"]Thief[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00HD4R5YU"]Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes Standard Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BGAA0SU"]inFAMOUS Second Son Limited Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FYIXMHQ"]inFAMOUS Second Son Collectors Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00D2ZK1IG"]Dying Light[/URL] [B][SIZE=4][COLOR="#0000FF"]PlayStation 3[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00B0JALUE"]PlayStation 3 500GB Console[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00AEX81SG"]PlayStation 3 250GB Console[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GY4OAIE"]LEGO The Hobbit[/URL] - April 8th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00I9UVY30"]FIFA 2014 World Cup Brazil[/URL] - April 15th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00ICWO2ZW"]Darksiders Collection[/URL] - April 29th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00ICWO2P2"]Red Faction Collection[/URL] - April 29th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00HQY8LRM"]Rambo The Video Game[/URL] - April 29th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FRESXSA"]The Amazing Spider-Man 2[/URL] - April 29th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00CPKUV98"]Wolfenstein: The New Order[/URL] - May 20th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00J6DLPLK"]Drakengard 3[/URL] - May 20th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BGHUS58"]Watch Dogs[/URL] - May 27th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DYAQHZ0"]Watch Dogs Collectors Edition[/URL] - May 27th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BG6ZHK0"]Murdered: Soul Suspect[/URL] - June 3rd [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00IGHP28Y"]Transformers Rise of The Dark Spark[/URL] - June 24th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DNGQTFI"]Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Z[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00H4BBTCQ"]Tomb Raider - GOTY Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00HNYWFMC"]Far Cry Compilation [/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00946FSIA"]Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00HQY8LRM"]Rambo The Video Game[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FQFFPZO"]NASCAR '14[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DFT92MU"]Thief[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B0088MVP3S"]Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00ECOBFCC"]The LEGO Movie Videogame[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B006IOAHPK"]South Park: The Stick of Truth[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FDQQD52"]South Park: The Stick of Truth Grand Wizard Edition [/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00F6YD2AK"]Dark Souls II Black Armor Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00F6YD2FK"]Dark Souls II Collectors Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GJSUUC0"]Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes Standard Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00E44EZYA"]Ultra Street Fighter IV[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00D2ZK2O4"]Dying Light[/URL] [B][SIZE=4][COLOR="#0000FF"]Xbox One[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00CMQTVUA"]Xbox One Console[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00MCLFZ1Y"]Xbox One Console Madden 15 Bundle[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00IIHU44E"]Xbox One Console Titanfall Bundle[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00HVPFGD8"]Titanfall Limited Edition Controller[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00CMQTUSS"]Xbox One Wireless Controller[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00IAVDQCK"]Xbox One Stereo Headset[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00IAVDOS6"]Xbox One Stereo Headset Adapter[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GY4OB8S"]LEGO The Hobbit[/URL] - April 8th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00CMQTUCE"]KINECT Sports: Rivals[/URL] - April 8th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00IMVRVA6"]Trials Fusion[/URL] - April 15h [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FRESTZW"]The Amazing Spider-Man 2[/URL] - April 29th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DHF39L2"]Wolfenstein: The New Order[/URL] - May 20th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00CX8VY4S"]Watch Dogs[/URL] - May 27th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DYAQI0E"]Watch Dogs Limited Edition[/URL] - May 27th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00I0574CO"]Murdered Soul Suspect[/URL] - June 3rd [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00IGH2HKU"]Transformers Rise of The Dark Spark[/URL] - June 24th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DHF39EO"]The Elder Scrolls Online[/URL] - June 30th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GZ1GUNO"]Tomb Raider Definitive Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DBCAS7E"]Zoo Tycoon[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00H5V9SLE"]Rayman Legends - Standard Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00CYNTHA0"]Thief[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DB9JYFY"]Titanfall[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00G2HSX86"]Titanfall Collectors Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00HD4R5WC"]Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes Standard Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00D2ZK2MQ"]Dying Light[/URL] [B][SIZE=4][COLOR="#0000FF"]Xbox 360[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FATRKOK"]Xbox 360 250GB Holiday Value Console[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GZ9ESEE"]Xbox 360 250GB Console w/Halo 4, Darksiders II, Tomb Raider and Batman: Arkham City[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B003ZSP0WW"]Xbox 360 Wireless Controller[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DC9SWWE"]Titanfall[/URL] - April 8th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00G2HSWZU"]Titanfall Collectors Edition[/URL] - April 8th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GY4OBB0"]LEGO The Hobbit[/URL] - April 8th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00I9UVY7G"]FIFA 2014 World Cup Brazil[/URL] - April 15th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00ICWO2G6"]Darksiders Collection[/URL] - April 29th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FRESY6G"]The Amazing Spider-Man 2[/URL] - April 29th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00CPKUV7K"]Wolfenstein: The New Order[/URL] - May 20th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BGD6LMG"]Watch Dogs[/URL] - May 27th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DYAQHNC"]Watch Dogs Limited Edition[/URL] - May 27th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00BG6ZHL4"]Murdered: Soul Suspect[/URL] - June 3rd [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00IGHY7LC"]Transformers Rise of The Dark Spark[/URL] - June 24th [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DNGQQUQ"]Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Z[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00H4BBVZQ"]Tomb Raider - GOTY Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DBCAT3W"]Fable Anniversary[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00946FSJ4"]Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FQFFQ2Q"]NASCAR '14[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00DFT92EI"]Thief[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B0088MVP2Y"]Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00ECOBFA4"]The LEGO Movie Videogame[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B006IOAHTQ"]South Park: The Stick of Truth[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00FDQQD6Q"]South Park: The Stick of Truth Grand Wizard Edition [/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00F6YD26Y"]Dark Souls II Black Armor Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00F6YD27I"]Dark Souls II Collectors Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GJSUXLS"]Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes Standard Edition[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00E44EZPE"]Ultra Street Fighter IV[/URL] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00D2ZK2RQ"]Dying Light[/URL] [B][SIZE=4][COLOR="#0000FF"]Wii U[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/vsngaming-20/detail/B00GY4OAM0"]LEGO The Hobbit[/URL] - 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Link: Certain Affinity Unleashing Crimson Alliance, a Furious Multi-Player Action RPG Title for the XBLA this Summer

AUSTIN, Texas – May 31, 2011 – Gamers looking for a multiplayer title with tons of furious action and cooperative play will find it this summer on XBLA. Certain Affinity's Crimson Alliance will mix fast-paced cooperative action combat with the rewarding element of RPG character development, in a battle against the sinister Cult of the Soul Siren.

Players can choose from three classes each with a host of unique abilities ranging from the Assassin's time-bending attacks to the Wizard's elemental mastery to the Mercenary's sweeping whirlwind strikes. Each class has five special abilities that can be upgraded by collecting treasure and finding hidden Soul Anchors that harbor the spirits of long dead heroes. By choosing to specialize in certain abilities, players customize characters to suit their play style and complement their friends' characters.

Partying with up to three friends on a single Xbox 360 console or over Xbox LIVE, players can create chain attacks that combine their different abilities for devastating effects. Different class compositions in parties allow for a diverse and unexpected set of combos.

Certain Affinity's president Max Hoberman tasked the development team to take everything they learned from their FPS work on Call of Duty and Halo -- strong action gameplay, addictive character progression and great encounters and environments -- and apply it to the action RPG genre.

"One of the reasons I started Certain Affinity was because I wanted to make a game like this – an action RPG with clever AI, fantastic physics and deep emergent gameplay that can be enjoyed with friends in the living room or halfway across the globe," said Hoberman. "Crimson Alliance is that game, finally!"

The world of Crimson features labyrinthine crypts, ruined cities, deadly traps and hidden treasures, populated by elite mini-bosses and the devious minions they control. Each of the three main characters has their own motivations, revealed in a story-driven cooperative campaign of betrayal, foul magic and ancient secrets.

The game will be playable at the Microsoft booth at E3 Expo June 7 – 9 and will be published by Microsoft Game Studios on Xbox LIVE this summer.
 
So I haven't been on my Xbox in a a a while, mostly because I was away. I fire it up tonight and it doesn't auto-sign me into Live. I try to manually sign in and get a message saying my information isn't correct and/or I should recover my gamertag. I'm doing that now, which is taking forever, but why the fuck do I need to do this all of the sudden?
 
And on another note, wtf is up with this week ass Summer of Arcade lineup?!? I totally missed E3 but the one whing I was hoping for from MS was a Shadow Complex sequel. I guess not?

Fruit Ninja Kinect? A fucking iPhone game that I'm sure they will charge $15 for?

The only Kinect game that seems remotely interesting that I have heard about is the Gun Stringer from the Twisted Pixel guys yet they is nowhere to be seen?

And was Toy Soldiers really that good that it needed a sequel? I thought that game was trash.
 
Can't wait for a release date for MLB Bobblehead Pros.

Thank you Konami for bringing Power Pros back to life!

But really no need for the bobbling heads, but hey if it's power pros I'll take it.
 

Oh, fuck me. In before Leaf and others comment about how the ads aren't even bad, yet every gaming outlet on Earth says they are the WORST. And now they are only going to somehow up the ante of terrible. But the only people we have to thank are the clowns that have bought that piece of crap. The more people that buy it the more MS is going to "support" it.

By the way, Jonathan Blow is now my favorite indie developer. The same guy that created Braid was a guest on Giant Bomb's E3 Day Zero podcast from a few weeks ago. They also had two guys from MS marketing and systems, one of which is behind the whole Kinect push. I figured Blow was a big MS fan considering they gave him his first break and thought the whole episode was going to be a big MS knob slob. Boy was I wrong. Blow did nothing but shit on the Kinect (except for a few times where he commended the hacking community for ides they have come up with) and talk about how utterly awful and strict MS's certification process is for games and updates. I knew that already but listening to an actual developer talk about it was refreshing. At one point he even said "I know I wouldn't have any of these problems putting a game up on Sony's PSN." I have a feeling his next big game might be a Sony exclusive. He just kept talking how there is just so much more freedom on PSN. It was hilarious listening to the two Xbox shills defend MS's policies just to have Blow prove them wrong every time.

I highly recommend everyone but Leaf, Stevsta, Grif and maybe a few others give it a listen.
 
I don't know if this is mentioned but, XBLA (and possibly PSN) is coming out with a Guardian Heroes remake.

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I don't like RTS's at all and I know that game has a good amount of that in it.

It honestly isn't what you think. The RTS portion is VERY dumbed down. It's as easy as pushing two buttons to drop an emplacement.

It's really fun so far and the co-op is supposed to be the real draw with it. TONS of customization so far as well.
 
It honestly isn't what you think. The RTS portion is VERY dumbed down. It's as easy as pushing two buttons to drop an emplacement.

It's really fun so far and the co-op is supposed to be the real draw with it. TONS of customization so far as well.

Is it a full-on RTS? I love RTS games, but the fact that I now own a Mac as my primary computer precludes me from playing some of the more recent ones, so I'd love to find a new one. Oh, and I do refuse to play Supreme Commander on the 360......I'd rather wait to upgrade my PC for The Old Republic or not even play it at all.
 
Is it a full-on RTS? I love RTS games, but the fact that I now own a Mac as my primary computer precludes me from playing some of the more recent ones, so I'd love to find a new one. Oh, and I do refuse to play Supreme Commander on the 360......I'd rather wait to upgrade my PC for The Old Republic or not even play it at all.

No. You control a mech and drop turrets around the battlefield to assist you. 4-player co-op campaign over Xbox Live though, which is supposed to be really fun.
 
Okay, so there are some decent things on sale and coming up next week.

From CAG:
June 28th - "MUTANT SALE" GOLD MEMBERS ONLY

Comic Jumper - 400 Microsoft Points - 50% off
Hard Corps: Uprising - 600 Microsoft Points - 50% off
Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light - 600 Microsoft Points
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time ReShelled - 400 Microsoft ***
X-Men - 400 Microsoft Points - 50% off
Zeno Clash: Ultimate Edition - 600 Microsoft Points

*** THIS GAME WILL BE DELISTED FROM XBLA 06/30/2010 SO ACT FAST


July 5th - "Summer Sizzle" GOLD MEMBERS ONLY

XBLA:

Stacking - 600 Microsoft Points - 50% off
Torchlight - 800 Microsoft Points - 33% off


Ok, so I'm thinking of getting Hard Corp since it's half price but I have a feeling that my money would be better spend on Trenched. I also want to get Gatling Gears if it's still on "sale" for 800 points. I'm hoping that is a permanent price drop because from everything I've seen that game has not sold well. I think I NEED to get Torchlight next week for $10.
 
Okay, so there are some decent things on sale and coming up next week.

From CAG:
June 28th - "MUTANT SALE" GOLD MEMBERS ONLY

Comic Jumper - 400 Microsoft Points - 50% off
Hard Corps: Uprising - 600 Microsoft Points - 50% off
Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light - 600 Microsoft Points
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time ReShelled - 400 Microsoft ***
X-Men - 400 Microsoft Points - 50% off
Zeno Clash: Ultimate Edition - 600 Microsoft Points

*** THIS GAME WILL BE DELISTED FROM XBLA 06/30/2010 SO ACT FAST


July 5th - "Summer Sizzle" GOLD MEMBERS ONLY

XBLA:

Stacking - 600 Microsoft Points - 50% off
Torchlight - 800 Microsoft Points - 33% off


Ok, so I'm thinking of getting Hard Corp since it's half price but I have a feeling that my money would be better spend on Trenched. I also want to get Gatling Gears if it's still on "sale" for 800 points. I'm hoping that is a permanent price drop because from everything I've seen that game has not sold well. I think I NEED to get Torchlight next week for $10.

I had TMNT on my old PS3 before it crashed. took me bad to my childhood
 
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