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Yay or Nay for Rooney Rule?

Champ

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Are you for it or against it?

There are some pros like giving minorities a chance at a job opportunity.

Im against it. How does the Rooney Rule not have a guy like Fewell going into interviews wondering if he is a serious contender or just the token interview? It is a disgrace.




And for the retards like PB
 
I'm gonna vote yes, but first I need to sit down and talk with no and see if that would be the better option.
 
Its a waste of time for teams who already know who their coach will be. NFL teams are going to hire the best possible candidate, regardless of race. I seriously doubt its helped any coaches get a job they didn't already have based on their abilities.
 
Per Wikipedia
In 2003, the NFL fined the Detroit Lions $200,000 for failure to interview minority candidates for the team's vacant head coaching job. After Marty Mornhinweg was fired, the Lions immediately hired former San Francisco 49ers head coach Steve Mariucci to replace him without interviewing any other candidates. The Lions claimed they attempted to interview other candidates but that the minority candidates withdrew from interviews, believing Mariucci's hiring was inevitable.

Do you guys think the Lions did something wrong?
 
As long as they're truthfully interviewing and not just going through the motions, I'm okay with the Rooney Rule.
 
I'm for it because if a guy goes in acting like he doesn't care (thinking someone else gots the job), that isn't the teams fault. Word gets around and if the person takes it serious, he may get a shot to another job. It also helps that person get more experience in what kind of questions will be asked.....toning his interviewing skills.
 
I'm for it. It's been said by someone here that Tomlin got his job because of the Rooney rule. And it's not like they have to hire a minority coach, they just have to interview one.
 
I was against the Rooney Rule from the start. It's blatant racism in and of itself.

It also encourages teams to interview people who otherwise wouldn't get an interview. This, contrary to popular belief, is not a good thing. I'm almost certain Singletary was named interim because by doing so, the team essentially bypassed the Rooney rule (by calling the interimship an extended interview) and would be allowed to hire Martz as the head coach... unfortunately, the team starting winning, and the fans like Singletary, so the Yorks were kind of forced to go with him... far from being ready.

So it works the same way as California's race-based quotas in public universities. The kid from a shitty high school in Compton is not prepared to handle classes at Stanford, but gets the spot because he's black. He fails out. If he'd gone to some community college in Los Angeles, he'd have gotten a degree... and while it wouldn't have been as impressive a degree as the one at Stanford, he's a hell of a lot better of than if he'd failed.

Affirmative Action drove up black admission rates at major universities, didn't effect overall black admission rates at all, and drove up black dropout and failure rates in California. When they repealed it, all of these went back to normal.

Anytime you create rules that give a race advantages, you will invoke the law of unintended consequences.

All that said, there have been positive changes due to the Rooney Rule. However, those changes have taken root. It's time to get rid of it.
 
I believe for now it serves a purpose but one day in the not so distant future it should no longer be needed.
 
Rooney Rule is a joke.

I always feel bad for the coaches who have to go through interviews knowing they have no chance of getting hired. A team saying "We're only bringing you in for an interview because you're a minority and we're forced to interview at least one of you" is almost as bad as not being considered at all.

There's been a 4 different minority coaches in the last 4 SBs. If a team is stupid enough to discriminate when choosing a HC then it's their loss.
 
I believe for now it serves a purpose but one day in the not so distant future it should no longer be needed.

Basically my thoughts, except I think we're at the point where it isn't needed anymore. It was a good rule when implemented to get more minorities into coaching, but it isn't needed any more.

How many times does Ray Sherman need to get interviewed and turned down anyway?
 
Black Head coaches before Rooney rule - 2
Currently -6

It should stay. The interview process can be a "joke" to some teams who've already decided on keep interims or bringing in guys from a coaching tree ((i.e Homgren-Morningwet)).
But for the most part it gives assistants exposure they never got before.

Anyone who believes Rooney rule (or affirmitive action) is racist is a moron. The amount of short sightedness in that statement is mind boggling. What imaginary world do you live in where the only people that get accepted to colleges and jobs are "the most qualified" ??
Money , Connections >>> Qualifications all day every day.

Who on planet earth thinks Jason Garret is the most qualified ?
Hes a candidate because hes the baby boy of Jerry Jones.
MorningWig most qualified ?? No ..he went to school with Holmgren.
Its preference..your buddies...your coaching lineage..and your color. Thats the way the NFL operated for decades.

The old white guard of the NFL shunned black QBs and black coaches. NFL has done a superb job of basically twisting the stick that was up the ass of old NFL guard and forcing them into modern times. The success of black coaches has been a catalyst to the mindset changing but without the Rooney rule opportunities would still be few.IIRC half the NFL is still owned by the old guard or its descendants.No question in my mind the NFL would not have the amount of black head coaches and assistants if not for the Rooney rule. The 80s' and 90s were littered with black assistants/coordinators who led highly successful units and had to watch as there underlings and barely equals got promoted or hired as Head Coaches.

Oh boo hoo Jerry has to fly in some putz on private plane for a 1 hour interview. Much better than having a handful of worthy candidates never got a shot at another gig and never have there reputations built because theyre black.

As MrBill said one day it should not be needed. But it isnt that day yet. Both RR and AA combat still existing prejudice and pigeon holing and Im all for it.
 
If a team is stupid enough to discriminate when choosing a HC then it's their loss.

Its everyones loss. Players knowing there possible coaching future is limited , existing NFL coaches knowing the future may be outside the league , H.S/NCAA coaches knowing they will likely never be a level playing field.

This isnt about a teams Ws and Ls. Theres alot more to it with the Rooney rule. It doesnt force hiring like AA does but since the process is so transparent in the NFL it allows Ownership to still hire who they wish , while giving minority coaches a chance to build reputation and get oppurtunities they wouldnt have had without it.

Owners need to STFU about the process its an interview not a blowjob.
 
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Looks like a nay to me.
 
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