Yay or Nay for Rooney Rule?

[ralaw]

Do you have any idea how much stake those jokers actually own? I think it's less than 5% combined for all of them. They are simply paid entertainers to come put there face on Miami events/games. They have no say in football related decisions...and furthermore, from a business standpoint, they really have no say at all if Ross wants to do something, because he has the majority. All he has to do is make sure they get their appropriate monetary payouts equivalent to their share holdings

P.S. And you forgot Fergie.
P.S.S. Why did you relate this to Miami's organizational structure, my replies were based on if I were owning a team and how most owners probably view the process.

My post wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

 

[Maynard]

Even if a team knows who they want there is a time with SF and every team looking for a new coach when they go through the evaluation process....that is the time the RR is supposed to kick in. The RR is based on ideals.....the ideal that teams bring in mutiple candidates...and hire someone; however, we all know that doesn't always happen, so the rule obviously has its flaws. However, its important to remember the RR has less to do with the teams and more to do with creating more opportunity for minority candidates.

so the evaluation process should tell them that they need to look at a minority? cmon...you are reaching.

its not like the 49ers are ruling out minorities, they are ruling our anyone whose name isnt harbaugh. If they know he is the guy they want, then their is no evaluation process that will change that

and the rule is racist because its called minority, but its really about black coaches. how many asian or hispanic coaches are there in the NFL? How many white coaches were passed over because Dan Rooney knew in advance that he was going to hire a black man? sure he interviewed them, but at the end of the day he knew dam well he was hiring a black coach

 

[ralaw]

so the evaluation process should tell them that they need to look at a minority? cmon...you are reaching.

The evaluation process doesn't tell them they need to look at a minority. The RR's intent is to tell teams during the evaluation process that they need to bring in a minority.

its not like the 49ers are ruling out minorities, they are ruling our anyone whose name isnt harbaugh. If they know he is the guy they want, then their is no evaluation process that will change that

I agree, but I'd be willing to bet the 49ers have reached out to more than just Harbaugh....Harbaugh is just the #1 choice.

and the rule is racist because its called minority, but its really about black coaches. how many asian or hispanic coaches are there in the NFL? How many white coaches were passed over because Dan Rooney knew in advance that he was going to hire a black man? sure he interviewed them, but at the end of the day he knew dam well he was hiring a black coach

I'm confused as to why some of you keep calling the rule racist. Racism has to do with the belief that one racial group is superior to another or having hatred or intolerance for another race. I fail to see how the RR is racist, because it doesn't say that teams must hire a black person nor does it say that teams can't interview or hire white people. Teams can interview and hire whoever they want...white people havent' lost any rights, opportunities or privileges that they've always had. .The intent of the RR is to bring in people who traditionally have not had an opportunity or privilege to widen the field of potential candidates.

The rule is for minority coaches....it really doesn't matter how many of each group there are....the dominant minority group is blacks, but that has little to do with anything. A minority is a minority whether you are black, asian, hispanic, etc

Dan Rooney didn't hire Tomlin because of the RR. He brought in Ron Rivera to meet the RR requirements. Rooney heard about Tomlin and wanted to interview him and Rooney felt he was best for the job. Given Tomlin's success it appears to be that Rooney made the correct decision.

"Mike Tomlin was not a part of the Rooney Rule," said Rooney, who chaired the NFL committee that instituted the rule in 2003. "We had already interviewed Ron Rivera. That fulfilled the obligation. But we heard about Mike and we called him in and we talked to him. He was very impressive. So we brought him back. I talked to him on the phone often. He just showed that he was going to be a terrific coach, which is coming to bear."

 

[Maynard]

racists obviously isnt the correct term, but its the one people associate with in this discussion. i think the rule is more a hypocrisy than anything. its supposed to be to benefit minorities, but its really just about black coaches. it also penalizes teams who can not satisfy the rooney rule because they already know who they want as their coach.

having to consider a person because of their race is ridiculous. Minorities are not being interviewed because they are qualified, they are being interviewed because of their skin color. Dont you see whats wrong with that?

look at the browns. They are going to interview perry fuel (is that his last name) to satisfy the RR. Why? do they have any intention of hiring the man? no...they are interviewing him because of the color of his skin.....thats whats wrong with the rooney rule

 

[ralaw]

having to consider a person because of their race is ridiculous. Minorities are not being interviewed because they are qualified, they are being interviewed because of their skin color. Dont you see whats wrong with that?

You make a good point, but you have to remember that the rule is in place to provide for more opportunity to minority coaches. The rule has been perverted into teams interviewing people because they’re a minority, but the intent of the rule was to interview a minority candidate that a team would actually consider hiring. Teams have perverted the rule and the rule does have its flaws and in some cases the rule has become a charade, because teams will bring in someone simply to fulfill a obligation, but the rule in place is better than nothing.

Black Head coaches before Rooney rule - 2
Currently -6

As KOF posted....the numbers don't lie. Whether you want to credit the rule for the numbers of minority coaches on the rise or not the reality is that requirements similar to the RR have been set that attempt to provide equality for all and the RR is just another of those rules that have been successful in providing that. They work, because requirements such as the RR open the minds of people, they shake up the norm, they tear down barriers and provide opportunity.

 

[EmpireWF]

It is a double edge sword because the rule has been turned into a mockery by teams. At the same time, it does give guys opportunities to get their foot in the door that they may not have without the rule.

Ideally, there would be a happy minimum but it's almost impossible to force GMs/Owners to interview certain coaches without mandating it.

If it's mandated, there will always be people trying to get around it.

 

[Maynard]

u guys bring up another point abut the minority guys getting their foot in the door.

on one hand a coach can get recognized during the interview process and maybe get themselves out there. On the other hand its like they are whoring themselves out by knowing participating in an interview when they know they have no chance at a job

empire called it a mockery by teams and thats true. in theory its a good rule, but in reality its not

 

[jeffx]

u guys bring up another point abut the minority guys getting their foot in the door.

on one hand a coach can get recognized during the interview process and maybe get themselves out there. On the other hand its like they are whoring themselves out by knowing participating in an interview when they know they have no chance at a job

empire called it a mockery by teams and thats true. in theory its a good rule, but in reality its not

That's why I'm 50/50 on it. But what's a better way to get these guys noticed?