NFL's Top 100 Discussion

[Blick]

The only starting QBs in 2009 with a worse rating than Josh Freeman's miniscule 59.8 were Jake Delhomme and JaMarcus Russell. Not exactly "ready to run an NFL offense".

Its official...you are just a troll like Shayn and BigBucs. Please stop. Let me know when you actually want to discuss football. I'll be here.

Just meant that he came from a pro offense in college, which made him more ready than others to run an NFL offense. He struggled like most rookies do, but obviously made huge strides in his second year, and will only get better.

[Blick]

Huh? I saw plenty of Freeman last year. Probably 6 or 7 full games, and decent parts of most of the others. This is 2011, DirecTV replays every f'n game in its entirety for three days.

The rest of your post is trash. Nobody gives a shit what either guy did in college. Or HIGH SCHOOL. What point are you trying to make? Dumbarcus Russell & Ken Dorsey were great in college. Who gives a fuck.

He has elite physical skills, is football smart, and was highly productive in only his second year in the league. What are his negatives, QB guru?

Who the fuck said anything about high school?

[Tengo Juego]

And why do people think Eli is good?

This probably has something to do with it.

[killgod]

This probably has something to do with it.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Oh, and I keep forgetting to say this.

Watching that highlight film of Freeman, the player I came away most impressed with, and who is clearly underrated and far more worthy of this top 100 talk, is Mike Williams. He's much better than I thought, and really saved Freemans ass a lot more than I thought he did last year. Gets good seperation at the line, and wins nearly every jump ball.

[Senser81]

He has elite physical skills, is football smart, and was highly productive in only his second year in the league. What are his negatives, QB guru?

He's only thrown for over 300 yards once in his career, and that time he also threw 5 INTs. Tampa seemed to dumb down their offense for Freeman. He averaged 32 att/game his rookie year. Last year, he averaged less than 30 att/game. Tampa made a concerted effort to "hide" Freeman, and it worked. When he had to carry the team with his arm, he couldn't do it. He benefited from a weak schedule and a pretty good defense. In fact, Tampa's defense outranked their offense last season.

[Senser81]

Oh, and I keep forgetting to say this.

Watching that highlight film of Freeman, the player I came away most impressed with, and who is clearly underrated and far more worthy of this top 100 talk, is Mike Williams. He's much better than I thought, and really saved Freemans ass a lot more than I thought he did last year. Gets good seperation at the line, and wins nearly every jump ball.

True. Another guy that stood out for me was Donald Penn. Freeman had all day to throw. I can see why Penn made the Pro Bowl last year.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm no big Eli fan, and he's not top 100 either, but...

If I had to win a big road game against a tough team, and was forced to choose between Eli & Freeman to start at QB, i'd choose Eli without a moment of hesitation.

[Tengo Juego]

C'mon man. Matt Stover had more to do with the Ravens winning the Super Bowl than Dilfer did.

[killgod]

C'mon man. Matt Stover had more to do with the Ravens winning the Super Bowl than Dilfer did.

Which is the point I'm trying to make.

[BonesMahoney95]

I said he's lumped in with guys like Cassel & Flacco. Same level player. And I'm being kinda generous.



How did Freeman do in the playoffs?

Oh, that's right. He "pissed down his leg" with his playoff life on the line against THE LIONS.

Its funny, because I can easily replace 'Cassel' with 'Freeman' in your final statement to sum up my feelings on Freeman. I looked up his numbers Week 14 or 15 and was shocked.

I don't think anybody is saying the guy is a pile of shit. But he's a young player, protected by a conservative gameplan, who has one decent season and one HORRENDOUS season under his belt. Forgive us if we would like more of a resume before we fall over ourselves gushing over him. I never came away particulary impressed with the "eye test" when watching him.

How many Bucs games did you watch last year? I know it couldn't have been many since you don't live in Florida/aren't going to go out of your way to watch(I think I read in one of the wrestling threads you live in Texas?). And I am talking about watching full games, not the three Bucs highlights ESPN would show.

I can guarantee you didn't watch the Lions game because if you did you would know that loss had nothing to do with Freeman fucking up or "pissing down his leg" and everything to do with some coaching errors and one bullshit call. When it was tied near the end and the Bucs were in the redzone, instead of letting Freeman pass or Blount run, both which were working, Olson decided to run two Cadillac Williams dive plays and a QB Draw with Freeman on 3rd and 6 "to be safe" which led to only a field goal. Then on the Lions last drive of regulation and in OT someone thought it'd be a good idea to put Elbert Mack on Calvin Johnson. I think Calvin got at least half of his catches on those two drives alone.

Before all of that even happened on the drive before the Bucs had scored a TD to take the lead but the refs called a bullshit pass interference call on Winslow which they apologized for later in the week(for the record I hate using refs as excuses but that was such bullshit and partially cost them the game).

Now as for if he is a top 100 player... I can see both sides of the argument and think both could be right. Being a Bucs fan I agree with his position on the list, he showed a lot last year, but if someone doesn't think he should be on the list because it was just one year I couldn't really disagree with that either. I will say I think the "he threw up tons of 50/50 balls and got lucky" thing is bullshit though. I can see a lucky play, maybe even a game, but a lucky season doesn't happen. Gotta give Freeman some credit.

[Blick]

He's only thrown for over 300 yards once in his career, and that time he also threw 5 INTs. Tampa seemed to dumb down their offense for Freeman. He averaged 32 att/game his rookie year. Last year, he averaged less than 30 att/game. Tampa made a concerted effort to "hide" Freeman, and it worked. When he had to carry the team with his arm, he couldn't do it. He benefited from a weak schedule and a pretty good defense. In fact, Tampa's defense outranked their offense last season.

Don't buy the dumbed down offense observation. Freeman is a west coast offense guy. That's what they ran at K-State.

Rex Ryan was impressed by him when they were deciding between him and Sanchez.

http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=6953:&Itemid=15

[Blick]

Which is the point I'm trying to make.

If you understand that, then you should understand QB's who make the playoffs aren't always better than QB's who don't.

[Blick]

How many Bucs games did you watch last year? I know it couldn't have been many since you don't live in Florida/aren't going to go out of your way to watch(I think I read in one of the wrestling threads you live in Texas?). And I am talking about watching full games, not the three Bucs highlights ESPN would show.

I can guarantee you didn't watch the Lions game because if you did you would know that loss had nothing to do with Freeman fucking up or "pissing down his leg" and everything to do with some coaching errors and one bullshit call. When it was tied near the end and the Bucs were in the redzone, instead of letting Freeman pass or Blount run, both which were working, Olson decided to run two Cadillac Williams dive plays and a QB Draw with Freeman on 3rd and 6 "to be safe" which led to only a field goal. Then on the Lions last drive of regulation and in OT someone thought it'd be a good idea to put Elbert Mack on Calvin Johnson. I think Calvin got at least half of his catches on those two drives alone.

Before all of that even happened on the drive before the Bucs had scored a TD to take the lead but the refs called a bullshit pass interference call on Winslow which they apologized for later in the week(for the record I hate using refs as excuses but that was such bullshit and partially cost them the game).

Now as for if he is a top 100 player... I can see both sides of the argument and think both could be right. Being a Bucs fan I agree with his position on the list, he showed a lot last year, but if someone doesn't think he should be on the list because it was just one year I couldn't really disagree with that either. I will say I think the "he threw up tons of 50/50 balls and got lucky" thing is bullshit though. I can see a lucky play, maybe even a game, but a lucky season doesn't happen. Gotta give Freeman some credit.

He has DirecTV. He's seen every game. Ever.

[killgod]

If you understand that, then you should understand QB's who make the playoffs aren't always better than QB's who don't.

Not always, but in this case is not the truth. Other than generic "He's awesome guize" comments you got nothing to support your point.