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  • manchild24
    Kyle got fired
    • Nov 2008
    • 5863

    Too bad Hall has one foot in the grave or Trips would be bringing back the Clique to run things in WWE.

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    • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
      Highwayman
      • Feb 2009
      • 15429

      Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
      Orton has million flaws, he's generally really shitty, but the last two PPV matches against Christian were really good.

      Orton vs Mark Henry will be the absolute drizzling shits.
      Dude, its been all Christian.

      Whatever level of "who gives a fuck?" that was in that Orton feud was all Christian, despite the WWE's best efforts for them to tell you, every step of the way that Christian is a bum. Even before the match, they had Edge put him over as the biggest bum possible.

      Yet, they've always had good matches. Christian is a good in-ring guy for Orton...gets the best out of him.

      Orton is still shit though.

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      • Dan The Man
        Dip My Balls In It
        • Mar 2009
        • 1033

        Kevin Nash... I can't stop laughing.

        One can only hope this means a return of the 123 Kid is also coming soon.

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        • manchild24
          Kyle got fired
          • Nov 2008
          • 5863

          Originally posted by Dan The Man
          Kevin Nash... I can't stop laughing.

          One can only hope this means a return of the 123 Kid is also coming soon.
          whatsthe deal is with Nash. I doubt they use him as a full time wrestler again, but it will be interesting to see what they do. It was a shock to see him because he hasn't been on screen since the Royal Rumble. Is he working on his own, for Del Rio, for Triple H or maybe even for Stephanie because she didn't like the way Punk talked to her? The possibilities are endless

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          • manchild24
            Kyle got fired
            • Nov 2008
            • 5863

            Stephanie McMahon had a heated backstage segment with CM Punk, was shown consulting with husband Triple H prior to the main event and was seen exiting the dressing room of former WWE champion John Cena.

            (was this aired and a work or jsut a news report?)

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            • Kuzzy Powers
              Beautiful Like Moses
              • Oct 2008
              • 12542

              Originally posted by manchild24
              Stephanie McMahon had a heated backstage segment with CM Punk, was shown consulting with husband Triple H prior to the main event and was seen exiting the dressing room of former WWE champion John Cena.

              (was this aired and a work or jsut a news report?)
              Unless I was REALLY not paying attention (and I really wasnt), this never aired.

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              • manchild24
                Kyle got fired
                • Nov 2008
                • 5863

                Originally posted by Bob Kuzzy
                Unless I was REALLY not paying attention (and I really wasnt), this never aired.
                I kinda wasnt either, I had it on my computer, but was doing other stuff and with the damn thing reloading I wasnt sure if I missed it or not.

                If she is back, Im going to really lose interest in the WWE again.

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                • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                  Highwayman
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 15429

                  Orton and Cena have been in the business just a hair under 10 years. They have 9 and 11 World Heavyweight Title reigns in that period.

                  In Ric Flair's first 10 years, he had the world title one time.

                  Damn.

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                  • Bigpapa42
                    Junior Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 3185

                    I didn't watch the first bit of the PPV, but recall someone posting on another forum that Punk had got the better of Steph. I do recall seeing a quick shot of her talking with Triple H, so yeah, it was part of the show.

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                    • manchild24
                      Kyle got fired
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 5863

                      Originally posted by LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                      Orton and Cena have been in the business just a hair under 10 years. They have 9 and 11 World Heavyweight Title reigns in that period.

                      In Ric Flair's first 10 years, he had the world title one time.

                      Damn.
                      but did Flair carry it for years? I honestly dont know. I mean Hogan was the Champ for what like 5 years before losing.

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                      • Bigpapa42
                        Junior Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 3185

                        Originally posted by manchild24
                        but did Flair carry it for years? I honestly dont know. I mean Hogan was the Champ for what like 5 years before losing.
                        Flair's 10 NWA World title reigns added up to 3,101 days. So an average of just less than a year.

                        That's is affected a bit by how WCW bounced the title around in the late 80s to build up guys like Steamboat and Sting.

                        Comparing the WWE approach back then to WCW/NWA is a bit tough. The WWWF/WWF/WWE has always tended toward babyface dominance, whereas WCW/NWA moreso toward heels.

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                        • Warner2BruceTD
                          2011 Poster Of The Year
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 26142

                          Originally posted by LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                          Orton and Cena have been in the business just a hair under 10 years. They have 9 and 11 World Heavyweight Title reigns in that period.

                          In Ric Flair's first 10 years, he had the world title one time.

                          Damn.
                          It really is crazy.

                          Two "world" titles in one company, short attention span storylines thanks to monthly ppv and the attitude era, and you end up with shit like this, plus former "world" champs like Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger who get jobbed on tv every week. And then they wonder why the belts dont draw anymore.

                          Protecting the title should be simple and an effective way to draw money, but the ship has sailed and I don't think they can ever go back.

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                          • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                            Highwayman
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 15429

                            Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                            It really is crazy.

                            Two "world" titles in one company, short attention span storylines thanks to monthly ppv and the attitude era, and you end up with shit like this, plus former "world" champs like Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger who get jobbed on tv every week. And then they wonder why the belts dont draw anymore.

                            Protecting the title should be simple and an effective way to draw money, but the ship has sailed and I don't think they can ever go back.
                            Of course they can...all you need is one moment and one champ to really give the title its significance back.

                            I thought the first Punk-Cena match in the Summer of Punk would have done this...had Punk as the "Real World's Champion" running around, doing shows, claiming he's the champ. Do it for a month or two and bring him back and have that unification match. Let Punk win it and run with it. Have his "Best in the World" gimmick run with it, too...saying that this title is meant for the best wrestler in the world and he has it.

                            Instead, they have Punk win it, come back a week later, hot shot the unification match, have Punk win it, only to hotshot a Money in the Bank winner 15 seconds later.

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                            • manchild24
                              Kyle got fired
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 5863

                              would you rather carry the belt around for like 3 or 4 years straight or hold it 10 different times throughout your career

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                              • Bigpapa42
                                Junior Member
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 3185

                                Originally posted by manchild24
                                would you rather carry the belt around for like 3 or 4 years straight or hold it 10 different times throughout your career
                                Would you rather hold a belt that damn near everyone in the company has held multiple times, or one that still carries some meaning for whoever is champion?

                                Title reigns don't need to be 3-4 years. Reigns over 1 year should be a rare exception. But they way they pass the belts around is ridiculous. They give them to midcard guys as a way to get them over, which devalues the belts even further. They take former champions and use them as midcard jobbers. When your recent list of former "world" champions includes Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger, something is wrong. They have guys win the belt and they don't treat them any different than before or after. They give the belt to a guy they know is hurt and will have to vacate it immediately. Its ridiculously.

                                A belt in wrestling is just a prop. Like almost anything else, it really only has the importance that you give it. But the WWE does everything possible to make their main two "world" titles seem unimportant. Its counter-productive.

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