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I hate time limit draws.
I was at the ROH show in '06 where Danielson & Joe did the 60 minute time limit draw. I knew they were going 60 ten minutes into the match just by how they were pacing things. Then they actually did the awful "10 minutes remaining, 10 minutes!" routine, and the whole crowd groaned.
Of course, when the show reports poured in that night all over the internet, there was over the top praise from everybody like it was the greatest thing ever. Because when two great workers go 60, you are programmed to think it was great.
If im not mistaken, that show also had KENTA vs Davey Richards, which was one night after the underwhelming Davey/AJ Styles match from Boston. This was when Davey was the hot young indy star getting his first ROH push.Comment
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Incredible that I can remember stupid shit like this, but I don't retain anything important:
Fight of the Century- Edison, NJ 8/5/06
1. Colt Cabana beat Sal Rinuaro
2. Shane Hagadorn beat Bobby Dempsey in less than 3 seconds to retain the Top of the Class Trophy
3. Nigel McGuiness defeated Jay Lethal, Claudio Castagnoli, Christopher Daniels in a Four Corner Survival Match
4. Austin Aries & Roderick Strong defeated Jack Evans & Matt Sydal, Jay & Mark Briscoe, and Irish Airborne in an Ultimate Endurance match to retain the ROH World Tag Team Titles
5. Homicide & BJ Whitmer beat Steve Corino & Adam Pearce by DQ when Jay & Mark Briscoe attacked Homicide
6. KENTA beat Davey Richards
7. Bryan Danielson vs. Samoa Joe for the ROH World Title went to a 60 minute time limit drawComment
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60m time limit is fucking ridiculous in the first place.
I'm talking...20m TV time limit. Last two segments of the show.
But, W2B, I understand, you went to a ton of shows, I'm sure during the ROH period where CM Punk, and Danielson, Joe, et al would try and pull Ric Flair's every night. I'd get tired, too...but, 20m TV time limit is fine by me.Comment
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I also don't like the idea of time limit draws because at a certain point whoever wins is going to be irrelevant, neither guy is going to lose any type of rub if they lose at the 58th minute.Comment
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I knew what you meant with the Kurt Angle thing.
I just went off on a tangent. I've never liked the long time limit draw. Or really long matches period, for that matter. It's hard to keep an audience engaged or tell a good story for that long. There always seems to be a ton of stalling when guys go that long (see: HBK vs Bret Hart). To me, of that's the case, why not cut out the bullshit and just go a half hour?
I think the sweet spot for a long world title type of match is about 40 minutes. 20-25 is a little short, and 45-50 is really pushing it. Not that I haven't seen really long matches that are great, but the majority of 60 minute singles matches i've seen have put me to sleep.Comment
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60 minute matches are almost never great. They're marathons, and speak more to the endurance to be able to pull off moves and not hurt anybody after being in there for 45 minutes. But they're so damn boring and obviously drawn out, that they actually end up having the opposite effect than desired. It's supposed to be impressive, and to an extent it is. But the match as the sum of it's parts is almost completely unimpressive. For instance, Hart is so proud of his WM iron man match, but his match with Diesel....DIESEL...was 100x more entertaining and dare I say better. That's the hour match in a nutshell. Hart/Michaels could have put on a ridiculously good match, but instead put on a watered down affair due to having to pace themselves over that amount of time. It seems like a waste of time.Comment
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HBK/Hart is most overrated match of all time.Comment
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Meltzer talked about people walking out of the Pond during Bret/Shawn it was so long.
WWE overrates it tremendously but it's definitely no classic. I can remember being bored by it when I was about 8 watching it live lol.
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I honestly have no idea how Kurt Angle benefits from being involved in the Aces & Eights angle. Nobody in the group is likely going to be on the level of feuding with Angle, even in a one shot instance. Only way in my opinion it could be a good idea is if somehow Jeff Jarrett comes back as the leader.Comment
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I really wish we could see CM Punk vs Austin Aries in 2012.Comment
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I'm looking more forward to Show/Sheamus than Punk/Ryback and I'm gay for Punk at this point...
No Romo.
There's just something about Show and the Pale Ginger fighting it out that harkens back to thoughts of two big, dumb uglies losing their shit and brawling for a good 7-8 minutes on TV and then 15 on PPV.
And what's best about it is there's no dumb gimmick of Condoms or Leprechauns or other dumb shit.
Just two large assholes that want to beat each other to a bloody pulp for the title.
I dig it.Comment
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Why didn't Vickie fire AJ after she got attacked?Comment
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Looking for that logic from a WWE storyline (especially this one) is going to upset you. Seriously, you need to find some other wrestling to watch and just divorce yourself from WWE.
It's like watching Shoot Em Up or the Resident Evil movies, and expecting something on par with The Godfather. WWE will have it's funny moments, have it's action moments, but ultimately fall short. It's good, mindless entertainment but you should not expect more than a B-list popcorn action flick.Comment
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