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  • Bigpapa42
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 3185

    EY was my thought as well.

    Or maybe Santino

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    • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
      Highwayman
      • Feb 2009
      • 15429

      Originally posted by Bigpapa42
      EY was my thought as well.

      Or maybe Santino
      Not a WWE guy...you gotta go through their people for a lot of those interviews.

      My random guess is a favorite of all...El Generico. Especially if you got some EG WEB TRANSLATE at the end of every email. Which, would have been awesome.

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      • BigBiss
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 1912

        Some of the best "Gimmick Guys" are like this ... Might even know how this is lol

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        • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
          Highwayman
          • Feb 2009
          • 15429

          Out with it, Lanza.

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          • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
            Highwayman
            • Feb 2009
            • 15429


            In the same vein as The Rise and Fall of WCW, The Best of Monday Nitro, Starrcade: The Essential Collection, and The Best of The Clash of the Champions...the WWE provides us with yet another stinker in their WCW DVD release catalog.

            Easily one of, if not the worst documentaries they have produced on a topic. Legitimately, nothing of substance. Lots of re-hashed, old interview footage. Very little in regards to new interviews. Lots of interview time with, of all people, Cody Rhodes, who gives his perspective as an 11 year old on EVERYTHING. Nothing substantial from Nash or Waltman (two of the only members of the nWo that they actually get new-ish perspective on.

            The documentary basically is a rudimentary biography of the nWo. With lacking key interviews from key players and lacks any kind of in-depth topics discussed or anything substantial behind the scenes.

            The only little bits of entertainment were Ted Dibiase saying Eric Bischoff purposely stole the spotlight as the mouthpiece of the nWo from him, when that is exactly what he was bought in and paid for.

            Otherwise, you get Cody Rhodes who tries and gives perspective as an 11 year...I guess it has its part, but perhaps because he had so many soundbites, he is in the film way too much. Joe Hennig is in the film for a little bit, too. Most notably giving his input on Curt Hennig's time in the nWo for a brief segment. You get very little from the always in-character Arn Anderson...Booker T chimes in with nothing substantial...Bill Demott, Dusty Rhodes, et al provide nothing.

            There is nothing discussed in regards to the downfall of WCW and the nWo being one of the major reasons why. They briefly touch on Sting. NOTHING in regards to Goldberg. They basically wax poetically for most of the film and them quickly talk about the group growing, the Wolfpack being lame, and then quickly move on to the quick WWE incarnation of the nWo, which bombed. Nothing in regards to the politics of the nWo outside of Nash saying "well, we kept renegotiating and getting paid more...and, well, sooner or later you stop caring what they have you go out there and do."

            They were able to get Vince Russo for a few soundbites, and sadly, he is a guy you want to hear more from, but alas, nothing. There is also nothing in regards to how the WWF reacted to the nWo (DX, the birth of "Attitude", etc.).

            Overall, possibly one of the worst documentaries they have ever done. It is really bad.

            The extras...they are ok...but, the WCW main event scene really sucked during this era...there aren't any matches you would want to go back and watch. They are also missing some key match moments, too.

            The BluRay extras disc might be the best part of the set...it has the Legends Roundtable, that discussed the nWo at length with Nash, Dillon, Hayes, and JR. It is more informative and in-depth than the documentary for Christ's sake.

            Overall...F.

            Sad, too, coming off an epic CM Punk DVD.

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            • Warner2BruceTD
              2011 Poster Of The Year
              • Mar 2009
              • 26142

              If you really want to dig dip and sink your teeth into the NWO, you gotta get Cody Rhodes, Joe Hennig, and Bill DeMott.

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              • Warner2BruceTD
                2011 Poster Of The Year
                • Mar 2009
                • 26142

                I got a text from a good source that the Jerry Lynn retirement match against Lance Storm that Storm has been "mulling over" on twitter is already booked and will take place in February.

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                • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                  Highwayman
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 15429

                  I just rewatched the Legends Roundtable with JJ, JR, Nash, and Michael Hayes with Gene Okurlund...it is infinitely better than the nWo documentary.

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                  • s@ppisgod
                    No longer a noob
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 1032

                    Did you really expect the WWE to put out something good on WCW? It's always a quarter-ass effort. I'm shocked Vince is still willing to admit Sting exists.

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                    • EmpireWF
                      Giants in the Super Bowl
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 24082

                      The first nWo dvd years ago was good.

                      All the Flair releases, too.


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                      • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                        Highwayman
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 15429

                        Originally posted by s@ppisgod
                        Did you really expect the WWE to put out something good on WCW? It's always a quarter-ass effort. I'm shocked Vince is still willing to admit Sting exists.
                        I would expect at the least a bash piece...but we don't even get that...we get some truly quarter-assed DVD products, and they put out plenty of them. ECW got a very in-depth documentary. They get constant match compilation DVDs that at least try to be diverse and cater to the audience that will buy said DVDs. World Class got a good doc. The AWA got a good doc. WCW got a piss poor doc with their Rise and Fall DVD. The nWo DVDs (both of them) were piss poor attempts at a product. The match compilations for WCW have been lackluster.

                        And, I don't know why you would think that about Sting. Vince holds that guy in very high esteem, which is strange considering he has never worked for him and has turned him down numerous times. But, Vince loves the guy, I guess. In every possible piece involving WCW or anything that involved Sting throughout his career, they say nothing but good things, promote him as a star, and praise him considerably.

                        Sting has an open invite to join the WWE anytime he wants, either as a wrestler or even with a Legends deal.

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                        • Warner2BruceTD
                          2011 Poster Of The Year
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 26142

                          The AWA doc was good with only minor inaccuracies and history rewrites.

                          The ECW doc was good.

                          The World Class doc was really good, although it wasn't as good as the independent version.

                          The Punk bio was really good.

                          Some of the early bios like Benoit, Guerrero, LOD, etc were good. I like Jake Roberts, too. Flair & Bret Hart had good ones also.

                          History of WrestleMania was fair. The same made up stuff they always repeat (93,000 fans @ WMIII), but some fun footage.

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                          • Warner2BruceTD
                            2011 Poster Of The Year
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 26142

                            Seems anything involving WCW ends up shit. Not hard to connect those dots.

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                            • s@ppisgod
                              No longer a noob
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 1032

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                              Originally posted by EmpireWF
                              The first nWo dvd years ago was good.

                              All the Flair releases, too.
                              Flair was under their umbrella though, and Trips looked up to him. You need look no further than Rise and Fall of WCW to see the "effort" they begrudgingly put into trying to cash in on WCW. Pretty average covering it until they get to Turner buying it and Bischoff getting put in charge. They completely shit on it from both points on.

                              Never seen the old NWO DVD. Didn't even know it existed. The Nitro one wasn't awful, but it's all old matches and DDP, so they can't really show too much bias there.

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                              • s@ppisgod
                                No longer a noob
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 1032

                                Originally posted by LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                                I would expect at the least a bash piece...but we don't even get that...we get some truly quarter-assed DVD products, and they put out plenty of them. ECW got a very in-depth documentary. They get constant match compilation DVDs that at least try to be diverse and cater to the audience that will buy said DVDs. World Class got a good doc. The AWA got a good doc. WCW got a piss poor doc with their Rise and Fall DVD. The nWo DVDs (both of them) were piss poor attempts at a product. The match compilations for WCW have been lackluster.

                                And, I don't know why you would think that about Sting. Vince holds that guy in very high esteem, which is strange considering he has never worked for him and has turned him down numerous times. But, Vince loves the guy, I guess. In every possible piece involving WCW or anything that involved Sting throughout his career, they say nothing but good things, promote him as a star, and praise him considerably.

                                Sting has an open invite to join the WWE anytime he wants, either as a wrestler or even with a Legends deal.
                                Rise and Fall of ECW was IMO, the best doc they've done. But I haven't seen the new Punk one. The Rise and Fall of WCW was IMO, the worst doc they've ever done by a pretty good margin.

                                I know Vince would take Sting, and is a fan to an extent. I didn't mean Vince disliked the guy, I mean that he never seems to want to really mention him outside of 24/7 for some reason. The big angles of WCW's hot era were NWO in 96, Crow Sting in 97, and Goldberg in 98. The other two are covered in great detail, over and over again. Sting, being a cornerstone of WCW for 15 years, and isn't covered to the extent he should be in their docs. The other bigs are, likely because they were all under the WWE umbrella at varying points.

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