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BCS discussing wide range of possible modifications

Under no scenario IF THEY ARE NOT RANKED IN THE TOP 6
Umm, that's a scenario.

And you already said "under no scenario"....even though you denied saying...but now you admit to it...but with a qualifier.


Not only that you didn't say if they weren't ranked in the Top 6. You simply said:
Under no scenario should Arkansas State & Louisiana Tech be in a college football playoff with LSU & Oklahoma state.

That's it.

Good work being a complete fucking failure though.

ZB: I agree every team should have a chance but Under no scenario should La Tech and Ark St be in a playoff.

FT: Lulz Wut?

ZB: I never said "under no scenario".

FT: Yes you did.

ZB: Well, I did but I meant it withthis qualifier...even though that's a scenario and I already said "under no scenario"

FT: :obama:
 
So much for that intelligent discussion ZB wanted. He has some sort of posting alzheimers that prevents him from remembering what he just posted.
 
I know what i posted.
Please reference Post #207.

Thank you.


You know what i posted.
Please reference post #207.



Why do you claim our rivarly is boring when you cant live without it?
Delusions.


How would you like it if i follow you around and post full page flames anytime i find a typo or ways to misconstrue your posts?
:kanye:


You could always just put me on ignore.

:troll:
 
This is actually a good article from Wetzel on the BCS and I usually hate what he has to say about it. Like I've mentioned several times I think his playoff idea is a piece of shit.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_football_hostage_illegitimate_bcs_112911

It is what it is, and until it collapses (even a four-teamer is a major, positive step), college football is stuck.

4 team playoff would be a good step and a good starting point.

That said, if the BCS somehow survives in its current incarnation, the formula to determine 1-2 must be scrapped.

It currently consists of two-thirds human opinion polls that are ripe for political foolishness, full of oft-uneducated voters and subject to groupthink.

The other third features an average of six computer formulas, which quantitative analysts have declared mathematically unsound and their own proprietors admit are not as accurate as they could be. Five of the computer formulas are secret, even kept from the BCS, which means no one, absolutely no one, knows if they are accurate or honest.

Agree 100% here. I cannot stand the human polls and he's spot on about the voters being uneducated and subject to groupthink. I think this season people have gotten way too caught up in the narrative that Bama is top two team and that the SEC is the end all be all. Doesn't help when ESPN/media in general seemingly go out of their way every week to back these arguments. It's the only real reason Bama is at #2 IMO.


Then there are the two polls, the Harris Interactive and the coaches’ poll. Each has a host of problems, the most obvious that human voters are susceptible to media coverage, political pushes to hype one team over another, historic brand names and the fear of standing out from the pack.

By doing weekly polls, stagnation also can set in. There is no reason to run BCS standings in October or November other than to gin up hype for a college football season that shouldn’t need anything artificial.

By doing so, a team’s strength and weakness can be set before a full body of work reveals itself. Many voters admit they don’t like moving a team down unless they lose a game. But why are they up there in the first place if only one poll – the last one – matters? There should only be one poll so there isn’t the current problem of the earlier, pointless polls impacting the final decision.

The coaches’ poll even starts in preseason, meaning projections can influence reality. What appears to be a quality win early in the season, thus pushing a team up in the rankings, may lose its significance later. Rarely do voters take a corrective measure.

I never really looked into the computer polls but if what he says is true that's obvious an issue. How the hell are 5 of the polls secret?

There's a lot more in the link, I didn't quote the full article. I pretty much agree with him that there's ways of improving the BCS if they're going to keep using it. Esp with more accountability for the human and computer polls.
 
Agree 100% here. I cannot stand the human polls and he's spot on about the voters being uneducated and subject to groupthink. I think this season people have gotten way too caught up in the narrative that Bama is top two team and that the SEC is the end all be all. Doesn't help when ESPN/media in general seemingly go out of their way every week to back these arguments.

Don't worry the narrative is shifting the other way now. The anti-rematch sentiment is growing with the national media. Sports Illustrated and espn.com have printed pro-Oklahoma State columns in the past two days.

I compared this to a political election in the chatbox last night. It's not over until Kirk Herbstreit gives his endorsement tonight during the Bedlam game. Sadly that's what this comes down to. Moron voters getting all their info from the national media and doing what they are told.

Anyway, it all comes down to tonight.
 
I think a VTech loss + win vs OU gets OSU in for sure.


Don't worry the narrative is shifting the other way now. The anti-rematch sentiment is growing with the national media. Sports Illustrated and espn.com have printed pro-Oklahoma State columns in the past two days.

I compared this to a political election in the chatbox last night. It's not over until Kirk Herbstreit gives his endorsement tonight during the Bedlam game. Sadly that's what this comes down to. Moron voters getting all their info from the national media and doing what they are told.

Anyway, it all comes down to tonight.

Last week (I think) Herb was openly campaigning for a Bama rematch during a game, don't even think it was an LSU or Bama game. I thought that was completely irresponsible but it's ESPN so I wasn't surprised.
 
Some new Hancock quotes echoing the earlier that things will be discussed. I bolded what Hancock said, the rest of the article is different conference commishes having a say.

Bowl Championship Series officials will meet Tuesday to exchange ideas about possible changes to the format of major college football's postseason system.

"Everything you can imagine will be discussed," BCS executive director Bill Hancock said. "Everything from format, who plays who, to where they play, to the business aspect of it ... it's all going to be on the table."

The meeting will bring together the 11 conference commissioners and Notre Dame's athletic director to exchange ideas. The entire system is open for debate, from eliminating automatic bids to top-tier bowl games to creating a four-team playoff -- an idea that's known as the plus-one model.

But a full-scale playoff that would require numerous teams to play additional games is not a likely option.

"Whatever we do, we have to protect the regular season," Hancock said Monday at a meeting of the Football Writers Association of America. "I think the larger the playoff field, the more damage to the regular season."

The last time changes were considered was 2008. That's when Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive, with the support of Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner John Swofford, made a push for the plus-one model to the rest of the group. The proposal was shot down.

Simply put, the plus-one would match the No. 1 team in the BCS standings after the regular season against the No. 4 team in a bowl game, and No. 2 against No. 3 in another, creating two national semifinals. The winners would play in a championship game the following week.

It's a format that Alabama coach Nick Saban has always liked.

"I just feel that only having two teams sort of takes a lot of teams out of it," he said during media day in New Orleans.

Currently, the top two teams in the BCS standings after the regular season, including conference championships, advance to the title game. It's a format that's led to frequent debates about whether the right teams were getting a shot to play for a national title.

This year's controversy involved whether No. 2 Alabama (11-1) should get a second chance at undefeated No. 1 LSU, or if Big 12 champion Oklahoma State (12-1, including its bowl victory over Stanford) had earned a shot to play for the national title.

The BCS has often caused as many arguments as settled them, and drawn the ire of fans all over the country in the process. It's also come under pressure from a political action committee called PlayoffPAC, and been the subject of a congressional hearing and a Department of Justice inquiry. Even President Barack Obama has said he doesn't like it.

Slive said last week that he will not be the one championing the plus-one this time around.

"I'm eager to hear from my colleagues about their views, but I fully anticipate that there will also be a meaningful discussion about the plus-one," he said.

Standing in the way of the plus-one last time were the Big Ten, Pac-10, Big East and Big 12.

Since then, the Pac-10 has become the Pac-12 and it has a new commissioner, Larry Scott, who has indicated he is willing to listen to proposals.

The Big 12 has an interim commissioner, with Chuck Neinas replacing the ousted Dan Beebe, who was a vocal opponent of any type of playoff. Big East commissioner John Marinatto has been busy trying to save his league, and it's doubtful the conference is in a position to be a force in the upcoming BCS negotiations.

What hasn't changed is the Big Ten's stance. Commissioner Jim Delany is steadfastly against a full-blown playoff and has said his biggest fear with the plus-one would be that once a four-team playoff becomes a reality it would inevitably grow.

But Delany has come out in favor of another potentially major change to how all the other marquee bowl games are set: the elimination of automatic bids.

The Big Ten, Big 12, Big East, ACC, SEC and Pac-12 champions receive automatic entry into the BCS. One champion from the Mountain West Conference, the Western Athletic Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, the Mid-American Conference and Conference USA can potentially earn an automatic bid each season by reaching certain BCS standings targets.

That format has allowed teams such as TCU and Boise State to play in the BCS, but it's also created a class system.

A free market would ostensibly mean the most-deserving teams would play in the biggest games. But the free market in college football is often more about earning potential for bowl organizers than performance on the field, which could lead to more opportunities for brand-name teams from the power conferences and less for upstarts such as Boise State in all the bowls, not just the BCS.

"I think it's time to look at the entire system," said Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson, a playoff advocate who appeared with Hancock on Monday.

It's clear there is much work to be done before June, when BCS officials will need to have a new format in place to negotiate the next television contract. The current ESPN deal runs through the 2013 season and the network will get first crack at retaining whatever postseason system is created.
 
I enjoy how the BCS is backing off of an actual playoff tournament because they don't want to ruin the "integrity of the regular season", while at the same time crowning a national champion that didn't even win their conference's division during the regular season.

Odd.
 
I also find it odd that Bear Pand said in this thread Ark St winning the Sun belt doesn't make them deserving yet even if Ark St got into the tourny and they won they STILL wouldn't be deserving.

Sounds like the CARTEL got to some posters here.
 
I enjoy how the BCS is backing off of an actual playoff tournament because they don't want to ruin the "integrity of the regular season", while at the same time crowning a national champion that didn't even win their conference's division during the regular season.

Odd.

The BCS...

Where every game matters..............Except the Game of the Century.

:whut:

:truestory:
 
I also find it odd that Bear Pand said in this thread Ark St winning the Sun belt doesn't make them deserving yet even if Ark St got into the tourny and they won they STILL wouldn't be deserving.

Sounds like the CARTEL got to some posters here.

I don't know why it's that hard of a concept to understand.

Teams should have to earn their way in.

Not get gifted a spot for winning a bad conference and winning nothing OOC...then prove their worth afterwards.
 
I don't know why it's that hard of a concept to understand.

Teams should have to earn their way in.

Not get gifted a spot for winning a bad conference and winning nothing OOC...then prove their worth afterwards.

So in your football retarded world how are teams determined to be "deserving" if both winning a conference and possibly winning a playoff game doesn't do it?
 
How are teams determined to be deserving? Through the resume they build in the regular season. IMO anything over 8 teams is too many. Just winning a bad conference like the Sun Belt, beating FCS Central Arkansas and going 1-2 against VTech/Illinois/Memphis is not the resume of a top 8 team. They don't deserve a playoff spot, they didn't do shit during the regular season to earn one. Them being given a spot, then pulling off an upset would not change this.
 
How are teams determined to be deserving?
Yes genius that was the question.

Through the resume they build in the regular season.

Odd. I would figure "Conference Champion" would go on a resume.

They don't deserve a playoff spot, they didn't do shit during the regular season to earn one.
Other than win their conference.

Yeah what better way to prove you "don't belong" than to go into the tournament and win a game!
 
lol at "yes genius that was the question"

And yea conference championship would go on a resume, which I said explicitly in my post. Their resume is Sun Belt Champs (one of the worst conferences in FBS football), 1-2 OOC record against FBS schools. That is a poor resume. If you had to rank all the teams in college football where would you place them?

But like I said anything over 8 teams IMO is too many. There's more than 8 conferences so do the math. I don't think just winning a conference is enough, not when there's such a drop off in quality between the best and worst conferences.
 
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