Brady sucks now

[ram29jackson]

I think Brady still gets 2 more SB's and ends up going out like Elway.

not unless they find another great kicker.

the fact is theyve gotten pretty close too often already. I think youll start to see more of a decline then a incline as the next few years pass.

 

[RosettaStoned]

The QB of my team does all of his choking in bathroom stalls. :smug:

 

[Senser81]

The odd thing about this is that Brady has been a much better QB the last few years than when he was winning Super Bowls. Yet his reputation is taking a hit, which makes no sense to me. As good as Brady was, and all the wins, his QB rating from 2000-2006 was about 88. From 2007 to present it's been over 105. Brady has played great, but the team overall, not as successful. Chalk one against stats.

 

[riley420]

Since 2009 (Mark Sanchez's rookie season), the Jets and Mark Sanchez have more playoff wins (4) than the Pats and Tom Brady (3). One of those was a game the Jets won vs. the Patsies.

LOL

Like senser just said, chalk one against stats.

 

[killgod]

Typical dumbass boateng bullshit.

Your point continues to be utterly retarded.

In short it's nothing more than, lets ignore the 3 titles and 2 MVPs...and now he's equal to Manning! Ta-Da! They are the same label guize!

Lets compare a whole career to another, but shave off all their top end success! BRILLIANT!


Stop throwing around your moronic definition of choking. For fuck's sake, flat out losing a game to another team in every fucking facet is not a choke on the QB or any individual player.

Choking = Being put in a critical situation and failing to perform at the level you are capable of, or failing your assignment.

Rahim Moore choked the coverage on Jones. He blew the simple zone assignment, terrible positioning and lost track of the WR. Critical situation and he failed to do the fucking basics. CHOKE.
Peyton Manning choked the OT drive by throwing a terrible INT. Like that was amateur, throwing back across his body into coverage. You're out of the damn pocket and it's 2nd friggin down. JUST THROW IT AWAY. Nope, he CHOKED this play and did something completely under his level of ability as an NFL QB. CHOKE, CHOKE FUCKING CHOKE.
Billy Cundiff. 30 some odd yard FG to tie the AFC title game, something he does and kickers do with relative ease and high success. Critical situation. He CHOKED.
Wes Welker. Twice, one in the Super Bowl, one in the AFC title game. Critical moments, dropped passes he regularly catches. He CHOKED.

Do you fucking understand yet?


John Elway - The Drive. CLUTCH.
Adam Vinatieri - SB on the line. CLUTCH.
Dwight Clark - The Catch. CLUTCH.
David Tyree's catch. CLUTCH.
Brady's drive vs the Rams. CLUTCH.

These plays were clutch. These players were in critical situations in big games and either delivered and may even had to do something incredible or beyond their norm to succeed. This is being clutch in a moment when you need to be one or the other.


Good god this shit is retarded listening to idiots thinking losing a game defines the ability to make plays in critical moments. You take these situations and see how the player performs over his career to gauge their ability in those moments. To define clutch or choke on simply winning or losing a football game, as a team? Are you a god damn handicap to think that makes any fucking sense?

 

[ram29jackson]

John Elway - The Drive. CLUTCH.
Adam Vinatieri - SB on the line. CLUTCH.
Dwight Clark - The Catch. CLUTCH.
David Tyree's catch. CLUTCH.
Brady's drive vs the Rams. CLUTCH.

Brady's didnt end in a TD

does anyone else know that Flacco holds the record for road playoff wins ?He's one game ahead of Eli Manning.

 

[bucky]

Your point continues to be utterly retarded.

In short it's nothing more than, lets ignore the 3 titles and 2 MVPs...and now he's equal to Manning! Ta-Da! They are the same label guize!

Lets compare a whole career to another, but shave off all their top end success! BRILLIANT!


Stop throwing around your moronic definition of choking. For fuck's sake, flat out losing a game to another team in every fucking facet is not a choke on the QB or any individual player.

Choking = Being put in a critical situation and failing to perform at the level you are capable of, or failing your assignment.

Rahim Moore choked the coverage on Jones. He blew the simple zone assignment, terrible positioning and lost track of the WR. Critical situation and he failed to do the fucking basics. CHOKE.
Peyton Manning choked the OT drive by throwing a terrible INT. Like that was amateur, throwing back across his body into coverage. You're out of the damn pocket and it's 2nd friggin down. JUST THROW IT AWAY. Nope, he CHOKED this play and did something completely under his level of ability as an NFL QB. CHOKE, CHOKE FUCKING CHOKE.
Billy Cundiff. 30 some odd yard FG to tie the AFC title game, something he does and kickers do with relative ease and high success. Critical situation. He CHOKED.
Wes Welker. Twice, one in the Super Bowl, one in the AFC title game. Critical moments, dropped passes he regularly catches. He CHOKED.

Do you fucking understand yet?


John Elway - The Drive. CLUTCH.
Adam Vinatieri - SB on the line. CLUTCH.
Dwight Clark - The Catch. CLUTCH.
David Tyree's catch. CLUTCH.
Brady's drive vs the Rams. CLUTCH.

These plays were clutch. These players were in critical situations in big games and either delivered and may even had to do something incredible or beyond their norm to succeed. This is being clutch in a moment when you need to be one or the other.


Good god this shit is retarded listening to idiots thinking losing a game defines the ability to make plays in critical moments. You take these situations and see how the player performs over his career to gauge their ability in those moments. To define clutch or choke on simply winning or losing a football game, as a team? Are you a god damn handicap to think that makes any fucking sense?

You missed.....Brady - one yard pass for a 2 yard first down on 4th down - choke.

 

[killgod]

Brady's didnt end in a TD

:walker:

fuck off troll.

You missed.....Brady - one yard pass for a 2 yard first down on 4th down - choke.

And I also missed Favre in the NFC title game. What's your point?

 

[Liquidrob]

Its not the stats lying, its that they don't cheat in the playoffs anymore, that we know of at least

Pretty simple and the wins/losses, how they do against a team the second time, etc...prove it, a team that was almost unbeatable in the playoffs turned into a normal team like the rest of the league post spygate

 

[Aso]

You missed Brady's TD pass to Moss in Superbowl 42... CLUTCH

The defense on the following drive... CHOKE

 

[Glenbino]

You missed Brady's TD pass to Moss in Superbowl 42... CLUTCH

The defense on the following drive... CHOKE

Kind of like how Peyton Manning led his team down the field in a tied ball game to put his team up 7 on the Ravens with under a minute to go in the AFC playoffs this year..

Was that clutch play negated because he made a bad throw in the second OT of a game he had put his team in prime position to win in regulation?

This is a ridiculous argument on both ends. You all sound like a bunch of old time baseball writers.

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[killgod]

Its not the stats lying, its that they don't cheat in the playoffs anymore, that we know of at least

Pretty simple and the wins/losses, how they do against a team the second time, etc...prove it, a team that was almost unbeatable in the playoffs turned into a normal team like the rest of the league post spygate

The Patriots are a normal team now? Cause a normal team has perfect regular seasons, pass records broken, a couple conference championships, endless division titles?

This is normal? For who?

Kind of like how Peyton Manning led his team down the field in a tied ball game to put his team up 7 on the Ravens with under a minute to go in the AFC playoffs this year..

Was that clutch play negated because he made a bad throw in the second OT of a game he had put his team in prime position to win in regulation?

This is a ridiculous argument on both ends. You all sound like a bunch of old time baseball writers.

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I'm not labelling anyone here, but you cannot look at the singular play and say that wasn't absolutely terrible on Manning's part.

 

[ram29jackson]

:walker:

fuck off troll.



And I also missed Favre in the NFC title game. What's your point?

no honey, its called a fact, not trolling.

for all the Patriots success, They are the least impressive wins in SB history.

 

[killgod]

no honey, its called a fact, not trolling.

for the Patriots success. They are the least impressive wins in SB history.

You're trying to say Brady wasn't clutch cause he lead his team to a Super Bowl winning FG, instead of a TD. :tellmemore:

Trolling, honey.

 

[Glenbino]

The Patriots are a normal team now? Cause a normal team has perfect regular seasons, pass records broken, a couple conference championships, endless division titles?

This is normal? For who?



I'm not labelling anyone here, but you cannot look at the singular play and say that wasn't absolutely terrible on Manning's part.

Yeah he made a bad throw in an OT that 9 times out of 10 doesn't happen. I just seem to notice that you and the other Manning bashers continually bring up the INT and just forget that he did have a pretty damn clutch drive in that game that his defense blew.

FWIW I think the whole idea of a clutch gene in any sport in 2013 is comical.

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[bucky]

:walker:

fuck off troll.



And I also missed Favre in the NFC title game. What's your point?

Point was, you picked one Manning int and called him choke, then picked one Brady drive and called him clutch. Everybody's view seems to be somewhat selective.

And you missed more than one Favre choke.

 

[killgod]

Point was, you picked one Manning int and called him choke, then picked one Brady drive and called him clutch. Everybody's view seems to be somewhat selective.

And you missed more than one Favre choke.

My point was to explain why people are moronically throwing around a label, not to label anyone, because I didn't. The examples given are irrelevant.

 

[Tailback U]

This is a ridiculous argument on both ends. You all sound like a bunch of old time baseball writers.

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My thoughts exactly, which is why I've stayed out of this thread.

Complete waste of time for everyone involved. I can't believe KG and some others are actually letting liquidrob and others bait them into this argument.

 

[killgod]

Yeah he made a bad throw in an OT that 9 times out of 10 doesn't happen. I just seem to notice that you and the other Manning bashers continually bring up the INT and just forget that he did have a pretty damn clutch drive in that game that his defense blew.

FWIW I think the whole idea of a clutch gene in any sport in 2013 is comical.

Which is exactly what I'm trying to define. What is a choke? Is it losing a game? Or fucking up something you do 9/10 times in a critical situation.

He choked a play, you agree, which is all I said.

 

[Tailback U]

This is a ridiculous argument on both ends. You all sound like a bunch of old time baseball writers.

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My thoughts exactly, which is why I've stayed out of this thread.

Complete waste of time for everyone involved. I can't believe KG and some others are actually letting liquidrob and others bait them into this argument.