Cam Newton

[ram29jackson]

Wait just a minute... a rookie got lucky because defenses had a shortened preseason? So did the defense get unlucky that this kid just came from the SIMPLEST college read option spread offense into the NFL and TORCHED an NFL defense? So.... basically... a ROOKIE.... with no OTA's, training camps, and limited reps and practice time is lucky to humiliate an NFL defense with almost the EXACT same core and system as they ran last year? Makes sense... watch out, bigbucs may get mad that you are trying to overtake him as the worst poster on VSN.

ah yes, the pointless e-penis troll response. I just gave an opinion dude. if you dont like it, tough cookies. The truth is the NFl has been dumbed down the last few years, And 2 bad teams had a minor shoot out in a week one where defenses are very poorly prepared. everyone can pass for big yards now, it proves nothing. I honestly doubt the Panthers will get remotely close to half of what that preformance was on Sunday. I already said it but..the next 4 opponents will drive QB pretty boy into the ground...now, if he ends being that talented, thats not a bad thing, it will be cool to see..but he wont come remotely close to the success Brady or Sanchez or Roethlisberger had early on and they didnt even have his physical talents..and of course he wont do well because his surrounding team sucks as a whole LOL

bizarre things always happen the first 2 and last 2 weeks of a season. the rest of the year ,the panthers will be lucky to cover games let alone try to win some.

 

[Sportsbuck]

and of course he wont do well because his surrounding team sucks as a whole LOL

I wouldn't say that at all.

He's got the best running back tandem in the league in the backfield behind him.

He's got a legit #1 in Steve Smith.

He's got two solid targets at TE in Olson and Shockey.

And the offensive line did a pretty good job of protecting him IMO against the ridiculous amount of blitzes the Cardinals brought.

I'd say he's got an above average set of guys around him. If someone emerges opposite of Steve Smith (Although this line we've been saying for years in Carolina and no one has) he's got even more weapons to target.

Overall, it was a great first game for Cam, and he played amazing, but couldn't come up with the W. But it's just one game. Matt Leinart threw for 400 yards as a rookie too. I'll wait and see how he does over the next 15 games before I annoit him as the savior of the franchise, but I've got to admit his performance shocked me and definitely gave hope to me that we've finally found a franchise QB.

 

[dave]

I wouldn't say that at all.

He's got the best running back tandem in the league in the backfield behind him.

He's got a legit #1 in Steve Smith.

He's got two solid targets at TE in Olson and Shockey.

And the offensive line did a pretty good job of protecting him IMO against the ridiculous amount of blitzes the Cardinals brought.

I'd say he's got an above average set of guys around him. If someone emerges opposite of Steve Smith (Although this line we've been saying for years in Carolina and no one has) he's got even more weapons to target.

Overall, it was a great first game for Cam, and he played amazing, but couldn't come up with the W. But it's just one game. Matt Leinart threw for 400 yards as a rookie too. I'll wait and see how he does over the next 15 games before I annoit him as the savior of the franchise, but I've got to admit his performance shocked me and definitely gave hope to me that we've finally found a franchise QB.

Newton is the first rookie to ever throw for 400 yards ... what league did Leinart do it in?

 

[Sportsbuck]

Newton is the first rookie to ever throw for 400 yards ... what league did Leinart do it in?

Newton's the first rookie to throw for 400 yards in a debut game.

Leinart threw for 405 against the Vikings, and Newton actually tied Matt Stafford's record of 422 against the Browns. (Stafford is the only one to win the game)

 

[dave]

Newton's the first rookie to throw for 400 yards in a debut game.

Leinart threw for 405 against the Vikings, and Newton actually tied Matt Stafford's record of 422 against the Browns. (Stafford is the only one to win the game)

I watched that entire Cards game (cheering for Kolb). Newton earned his status in that game. The only people bashing him after that performance have white hoods.

 

[NAHSTE]

Leaving Newton out of this for a second, I have to second what Sportsbuck said about the Panthers as a whole. Their team talent level actually seemed pretty solid when I was watching the game.

Shockey still has plenty left in the tank, at least for one week anyway, and Olson was getting open and making grabs left and right. Plus of course there's that guy Steve Smith, who as recently as two seasons ago was in the discussion for best WR in the league.

Back to Cam, it seemed like he was comfortable and willing to throw to every one of his eligible receivers, which is rare to say about a rookie QB. Even Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, two young QBs who everyone fellates nonstop, stare down their primaries way too often. But Cam seemed to be hitting his progressions and even his incompletions were sound decisions on where to throw the ball. If Smith wasn't open he was immediately looking to Schockey or Olson or one of the backs. Didn't see him go to LaFell much but that could just be because LaFell doesn't know wtf he's doing yet.

I dislike Cam Newton very much as a person but it's getting harder and harder (if not impossible) to discredit him as a quarterback. He's got a good arm and he seems to enjoy the idea of being a pocket passer more than other "running" QBs to come out of college.

In other words, he's like Josh Freeman, but good.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Tom Brady has never thrown for as many yards in a game.

Means nothing, but very queer musing.

sup

 

[dave]

sup

Good for Brady, but that doesn't detract from what Newton did.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Good for Brady, but that doesn't detract from what Newton did.

who said it did?

But for what it's worth, I really don't get wrapped up in goofy "records" like most passing yards for a rookie in a debut in a game played east of the Mississippi during the month of September in an odd numbered year. He threw for a bunch of yards, and that's nice, but his team produced a whopping 21 points and they lost. Wouldnt shock anyone if he goes 12/34 for 188 yards and 2 INT's next week. Yawn.

 

[NAHSTE]

who said it did?

But for what it's worth, I really don't get wrapped up in goofy "records" like most passing yards for a rookie in a debut in a game played east of the Mississippi during the month of September in an odd numbered year. He threw for a bunch of yards, and that's nice, but his team produced a whopping 21 points and they lost. Wouldnt shock anyone if he goes 12/34 for 188 yards and 2 INT's next week. Yawn.

Not to mention, Chad Henne also threw for 400 yards in a losing effort. Maybe it's just really easy to gain passing yardage in today's NFL?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

As I mentioned in the the chat box, 400 yard games used to be something special. Now guys like Chad Henne and Cam Newton are doing it routinely...and losing to guys throwing for 500. Then you had the Arena Football game on Thursday. I'm sorry, but it's getting harder and harder to be impressed by these passing totals.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

sup

 

[shag773]

As I mentioned in the the chat box, 400 yard games used to be something special. Now guys like Chad Henne and Cam Newton are doing it routinely...

Who are the guys "like" Henne and Newton that are throwing for 400 yards routinely?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Who are the guys "like" Henne and Newton that are throwing for 400 yards routinely?

Henne & Newton.

You don't think passing yards are up? Games like Thursday and Monday used to be an exception to the rule, now we get shoot outs between the likes of Kevin Kolb & Cam Newton on a weekly basis. Hard to be super impressed when bums are putting up 400 in losing efforts, and Brees, Brady, Rodgers, have moster days in their sleep.

 

[shag773]

Henne & Newton.

You don't think passing yards are up? Games like Thursday and Monday used to be an exception to the rule, now we get shoot outs between the likes of Kevin Kolb & Cam Newton on a weekly basis. Hard to be super impressed when bums are putting up 400 in losing efforts, and Brees, Brady, Rodgers, have moster days in their sleep.

You need more than just one week of football to state that guys like Newton and Henne throwing for 400 yards are becoming routine. I think you are overreacting to what you saw this week. The defenses will catch up as the year goes on.

I agree that the media has gone overboard with Newton's performance. However, even with the Cardinals playing as bad defensively as they did, 400 yards by a kid in his first game is at least noteworthy.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You need more than just one week of football to state that guys like Newton and Henne throwing for 400 yards are becoming routine. I think you are overreacting to what you saw this week. The defenses will catch up as the year goes on.

I agree that the media has gone overboard with Newton's performance. However, even with the Cardinals playing as bad defensively as they did, 400 yards by a kid in his first game is at least noteworthy.

Its more than one week, though. We've seen this coming for the last decade or so. Look at the explosion of 4,000 yard passers the last few years. Would it shock you if we had multiple 5,000 yard passers this season? KOF has been bitching about this for years now, I'm on the bandwagon.

I hardly blink at 400 yards, nevermind 300.

 

[shag773]

Its more than one week, though. We've seen this coming for the last decade or so. Look at the explosion of 4,000 yard passers the last few years. Would it shock you if we had multiple 5,000 yard passers this season? KOF has been bitching about this for years now, I'm on the bandwagon.

I hardly blink at 400 yards, nevermind 300.

I looked at the last 30+ years, here's what I saw.

The last year we had without a 4,000 yard passer was 1997. However, except for the 1987 and 1982 strike shortened seasons, the last year before that was 1978.

In 2009 we had a high of 10 4,000 yard passers. Here's the list:

Matt Schaub
Peyton Manning
Tony Romo
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Big Ben
Phillip Rivers
Brett Favre
Eli Manning

In 2010 it dropped to 5, which is the lowest since 2006.

To answer your question, yes, I would be shocked to see another 5,000 yard passer this year. I would be shocked if I saw a repeat of 09 and had 10 4,000 yard passers. I would need to see another couple weeks like this one to start comparing the NFL to the Arena league.

 

[Senser81]

I looked at the last 30+ years, here's what I saw.

The last year we had without a 4,000 yard passer was 1997. However, except for the 1987 and 1982 strike shortened seasons, the last year before that was 1978.

In 2009 we had a high of 10 4,000 yard passers. Here's the list:

Matt Schaub
Peyton Manning
Tony Romo
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Big Ben
Phillip Rivers
Brett Favre
Eli Manning

In 2010 it dropped to 5, which is the lowest since 2006.

To answer your question, yes, I would be shocked to see another 5,000 yard passer this year. I would be shocked if I saw a repeat of 09 and had 10 4,000 yard passers. I would need to see another couple weeks like this one to start comparing the NFL to the Arena league.

It dropped in 2010 because guys like Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Favre, etc. missed a couple games due to suspension/injury/retirement.

And I don't know why you would be shocked to see a 5000 yard passer in 2011 when Matt fricken Schaub nearly threw for 5000 yards in 2009.

 

[nflman2033]

It dropped in 2010 because guys like Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Favre, etc. missed a couple games due to suspension/injury/retirement.

And I don't know why you would be shocked to see a 5000 yard passer in 2011 when Matt fricken Schaub nearly threw for 5000 yards in 2009.

Romo also missed most last year or would have had 4,000

 

[shag773]

Also ran across this list. 400 yard passing games went up and down by year. While last year was high, it certainly wasn't unprecedented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...o_have_passed_for_400_or_more_yards_in_a_game