[ALL] EA is going 100% digital....

[Twigg4075]

I have no problem with paying full price for a new game.

I do have a problem with a company cutting out millions in overhead (not just the discs but the game cases, cover art, in store promotional items, etc.) and passing none of that along to the consumer.

That is exactly my point. I know someone (JMS?) made a smart comment as if I never want to spend full price on a game. Give me a fucking break. People's accounts get fucked all the time and then they are left not being able to play games that THEY BOUGHT. Look at me, someone hacked my Xbox account and stole points from me. My account was frozen for two months. Guess how many of MY games I could play? Just ones on discs fuck wads. But of course someone like Leaf will just say that it was my fault anyway, ignoring the hundreds of thousands of other people that went through the same problems. But if EA is going to be saving all of this money by cutting out retailers then they need to pass on the savings to us. But we all know that will never happen. It;s the same with in game ads and of course the shitty dash on Live. That thing is littered with ads but did M$ use that ad money to cut the price of Live or make it free? Of course not, they increased the price instead.

People that think paying full price for something that you can't pit your hands on are fools. You really have ZERO control with the products. People's accounts get fucked all the time and then they can't play games that THEY bought. Then you have the issue where you will constantly need an internet connection because of DRM issues. I still think only 50% of gamers even have their console online. Is EA really willing to lose half of their business? Really? And then of course I will bring up trading in games again. I rarely if ever trade a game in. But I know tons of people that would not be able to afford the hobby they love if they couldn't.

Not to mention that it will be YEARS after full digital that companies like MS especially would ever even consider offering sales on these games on THEIR service. If you guys think it's going to be like Steam from day one I feel sorry for how gullible you are. Just look at how long it took XBLA and PSN games to go on sale for the forst time. Fuck, look at the shitty Games on Deman service that MS already has. They just had their FIRST sale last week since the inception of the service and they were all pretty shitty to mediocre games, and old as fuck at that.

So am I the naive one, or all of you guys that think this is going to be great? Keep thinking this is going to be good for console gaming you clowns.

 

[Glenbino]

Oh twigg you worry too much.

It's not like the entire PS network could be hacked at some point knocking it offline for two weeks and compromise all of its users payment information..

There is no way that could EVER happen.

 

[jms493]

You dont need to recover your gt to play arcade games on another console....you are wrong again twigg.

 

[BigBucs]

Vehicle? What is a vehicle? I take the train.

But you missed the point goof. "They" aren't doing away with physical media, "we" are. The software devs are just catching up.

You really that naive to think that the people dont purchase physical media? You cant be that sheltered. Those that exclusively purchase entertainment digitally are in the minority. Because you dont own a vehicle doesnt make it the case for everyone else. I have a Ipod connection in my car but the vast majority of people dont. Even if you purchase music digitally you still have the option to burn it to a disc and pop it in a CD player.

"We" arent clamoring for developers to do away with physical media "they" are trying to cut cost and in doing so they will limit our options from many different standpoints all the while neglecting a huge chunk of their customers. For every person that has their console hooked up to the internet there is probably 100 that doesnt, online gamers are in the minority. May wanna take your head out of your ass for a second and look at it from a broader spectrum. Its gonna take another generation or so before this is typical amongst the masses.

 

[SethMode]

I would bet more than not.


Another great point. We all know how much PC gamers looooooooooove that shit. Assassin's Creed? Diablo anyone? Yup, this sounds better by the day! Bring on the full digital era!

I'm not bothering with delving into this pointless discussion outside of saying this: what does the point in bold prove? If anything, it is an argument that despite complaining about something like DRM, people will STILL buy something. PC gamers love to bitch (just like console gamers now-a-days). DRM and constant internet connectivity is just the new thing they like to bitch about it.

 

[jms493]

I say in 5-7 years video games sales will be around 70-80% digital. If steam, iTunes, Netflix, kindle, spotify, amazon prime, app store ect are all thriving....then I don't see why video games would be any different.

I remember all those old people saying "I really like holding a book and turning pages".....all those fuckers have kindles now.

Will this move be good for consumers.....the verdict is still out. There are positives and negatives.....but one thing is for sure, it is coming. I think the sales of iPads and tablets are very telling as well.....everything you buy for these tablets is digital.....I don't see people complaining about that.

 

[jms493]

You know I am not sure what you guise that love the physical media are worried about. The article does not say DIGITAL ONLY. I think all there games will still be available via retail for a long time. The article is stating that all EA games will be available digitally along with retail copy. Therefore the gamer who loves steam will move right towards the digital download of console games. Physical media for videa games will be around for a while.....you guys/gals should worry if the new xbox and ps3 comes out with no disc drive....then you can throw a hissy fit.

 

[killgod]

the resale market is still going to the slaughterhouse when all these people buy it digitally instead, they no longer are players in that resale game.

as for the cost of digital games, well that's to be determined. of course the die hard old farts believe it'll be the same, but the entire digital revolution says otherwise. the costs have been better. there's no guarantee one way or the other just yet, would be interesting to know the costs of the manufacturing side of things to really know when the time comes if we're being hosed or not. cost of game dev continues to soar and only the big dogs seem to remain...does this cost cut prevent a game price increase if we stay the course?

this also opens up more possibility since you're buying direct from the supplier. for instance, EA could be like, for $130 you can have 3 Sports titles for this year or some shit. This kind of option doesn't exist with the middle man.


as for disc drive space concerns, we're literally a couple years away from having multiple TB drives as the norm. literal tech exists already where you could build a 2.5TB drive that's the size of a flash key. be interested to see what they plug into the next gen of consoles, but with a digital push you can't imagine we'll be short on space.


for the "people who don't have internet", here's a USB key, go to a retailer and they'll put the game you want to buy on it. plug it in, install on your machine and no internet is required. who's to say something like this doesn't come to replace discs? it's like "resuable bags" at the grocery store, same medium, go to the store and buy whatever the fuck you want and they'll put it on for you. why not? at the end of the day, the USA has 250M people who use the internet, if they don't plug their consoles in now, perhaps they'll start? either way, this number won't go down going forward.



if it all ends up being the doom and gloom you predict twigg, they (sony/ms) will take a loss and have to adjust (sales, better pricing, etc). they aren't in the business of losing money (well maybe sony is? gonna run out eventually), so they will adapt if the market doesn't buy what they are selling. if they do buy into it, then the percentages of people who "do what you do" are nowhere near what you believe.

we'll see. I'm all for the positives that the digital era bring and if it's not what I want to spend money on, I simply won't.

 

[July 4 1776]

Your using the sale of tablet games to compare against console games? $1 games and 60$ games are way different. Also as for the kindle a lot of kindle books are cheaper and the kindle enhances the experience, non of which downloadable games would offer

 

[Twigg4075]

Your using the sale of tablet games to compare against console games? $1 games and 60$ games are way different. Also as for the kindle a lot of kindle books are cheaper and the kindle enhances the experience, non of which downloadable games would offer

Yeah. He's definitely comparing apples to oranges.

 

[killgod]

Your using the sale of tablet games to compare against console games? $1 games and 60$ games are way different. Also as for the kindle a lot of kindle books are cheaper and the kindle enhances the experience, non of which downloadable games would offer

Many $60 games AREN'T $60 games, that's just what games are bought at...so thus they are sold at that price. Some games cost 100M to dev, some cost 10M....WHY ARE BOTH $60?!?!?!?!?! Does a car that costs 50K to build cost the same as a car that cost 5K? NO. Same goes for FUCKING ANYTHING. Gamers are so bloody retarded about this concept (not saying it directly at you, just in general)

There's no such thing as "$60 games" as referenced above, that's just what people are willing to pay for a new video game regardless of what it contains or what it cost to make and it's fucking absurd that people believe this.

 

[Maynard]

That is exactly my point. I know someone (JMS?) made a smart comment as if I never want to spend full price on a game. Give me a fucking break. People's accounts get fucked all the time and then they are left not being able to play games that THEY BOUGHT. Look at me, someone hacked my Xbox account and stole points from me. My account was frozen for two months. Guess how many of MY games I could play? Just ones on discs fuck wads. But of course someone like Leaf will just say that it was my fault anyway, ignoring the hundreds of thousands of other people that went through the same problems. But if EA is going to be saving all of this money by cutting out retailers then they need to pass on the savings to us. But we all know that will never happen. It;s the same with in game ads and of course the shitty dash on Live. That thing is littered with ads but did M$ use that ad money to cut the price of Live or make it free? Of course not, they increased the price instead.

People that think paying full price for something that you can't pit your hands on are fools. You really have ZERO control with the products. People's accounts get fucked all the time and then they can't play games that THEY bought. Then you have the issue where you will constantly need an internet connection because of DRM issues. I still think only 50% of gamers even have their console online. Is EA really willing to lose half of their business? Really? And then of course I will bring up trading in games again. I rarely if ever trade a game in. But I know tons of people that would not be able to afford the hobby they love if they couldn't.

Not to mention that it will be YEARS after full digital that companies like MS especially would ever even consider offering sales on these games on THEIR service. If you guys think it's going to be like Steam from day one I feel sorry for how gullible you are. Just look at how long it took XBLA and PSN games to go on sale for the forst time. Fuck, look at the shitty Games on Deman service that MS already has. They just had their FIRST sale last week since the inception of the service and they were all pretty shitty to mediocre games, and old as fuck at that.

So am I the naive one, or all of you guys that think this is going to be great? Keep thinking this is going to be good for console gaming you clowns.

yes twigg we all know your endless tales of woe about your jacked up accounts and your RROD. your mental midgetry is synonymous with technical retardation. we are all well aware.

its funny how you say people accounts get fucked with all the time. i dont know anyone other than you thats ever had their account hacked...except for the ps3 thing

i hope this digital shit happens fast so it can scare you off and we dont have to listen to your endless crying about how you dont like it

 

[Twigg4075]

Many $60 games AREN'T $60 games, that's just what games are bought at...so thus they are sold at that price. Some games cost 100M to dev, some cost 10M....WHY ARE BOTH $60?!?!?!?!?! Does a car that costs 50K to build cost the same as a car that cost 5K? NO. Same goes for FUCKING ANYTHING. Gamers are so bloody retarded about this concept (not saying it directly at you, just in general)

There's no such thing as "$60 games" as referenced above, that's just what people are willing to pay for a new video game regardless of what it contains or what it cost to make and it's fucking absurd that people believe this.

I agree with this titally and have been saying the same thing for quite some time. I think that some games would sell far more copies if they debuted at $20, $30 or $40. It makes no sense to have a generic standard price of $60.

yes twigg we all know your endless tales of woe about your jacked up accounts and your RROD. your mental midgetry is synonymous with technical retardation. we are all well aware.

its funny how you say people accounts get fucked with all the time. i dont know anyone other than you thats ever had their account hacked...except for the ps3 thing

i hope this digital shit happens fast so it can scare you off and we dont have to listen to your endless crying about how you dont like it

Just Google "Xbox account hacks" and read about the hundreds of thousands of people that were and still are being affected. I wouldn't doubt one bit if another prominent posteror more were also affected but their Xbox homerism is keeping them from mentioning it.

I made sure to bold the last sentence because I find it hilarious that the person on the boards that probably complains more than all te posters here combined would try to single me out in this thread. LMAO.

 

[Maynard]

there is a difference between stating an opinion and complaining about the same topic non stop.

I state my opinion and move on....you just keep crying about shit until people cant stand discussing it anymore.

 

[Twigg4075]

It's called a forum discussion. When people reply to a thread and inject their viewpoint as to why they think X,Y or Z is a bad or good idea, in this case games going all digital, do I not have the right to respond to those opinions with my own?

There have been several different opinions as to why people think that this is a good idea and I responded as to why I disagreed with each one.

Personally, I think the only positive thing about digital off the top of my head is convenience. Being able to turn on my console and just start playing a plethora of games from my hard drive is nice. But the negative far outweigh that one convenience for me.

Example...Vita games. I know some people that bought the biggest memory stick they could and download most of the games from the store to take advantage of that HUGE (I'm being very sarcastic her if you haven't noticed) 10% discount. I, on the other hand, have bought all physical copies of the games. When I'm done with Lany of them I can trade them in, sell them on eBay, etc and get a percentage of my investment back. The guy that downloads everything? He's fucked. Plus, I don't think a single one of those Vita games has went on sale for less than that initial 10% discount. Whereas I just bought The Show for $20 brand new.

 

[Maynard]

you just keep crying about shit until people cant stand discussing it anymore.

 

[Twigg4075]

Sweet quote of yourself bro.

 

[bucky]

taking too long to get to this. fuck the middle man.

People already beat me to it. So ignore this.
You wanna bet on the savings reaching you the consumer? You think the price of your games will drop any?


Start here.
But hear is my view on digital downloads. Either the reseller needs to keep great records of the games, or we need an easy way to back the games up just in case of some HDW disaster. And their would have to be some convenient way to purchase and install games for those w/o internet access. There are ways to make this convenient on the new consoles. KG mentioned one way. Games on little USB Flash Drives.

I like the idea of NOT having to keep changing a physical disk.

So I want physical media that I can save the installation program on in case I need to reinstall something. Either I uninstalled it or for system crash recovery. Some way to reinstall outside of relying on the digital download companies keeping accurate records.

I actually like the idea, but only if implementation is done in a sensible way to reach all consumers and to always be able to reinstall from some kind of storage medium. Flash drives would be really nice for this if flash drives were as inexpensive as DVD's. I haven't thought about this too much, but I think I would want one game per flash drive in case the flash drive goes to hell on you. Then you are trying to recover one game install instead of a bunch of game installs.

 

[jms493]

You wanna bet on the savings reaching you the consumer? You think the price of your games will drop any?

no! but there will be sales like there is now............any physical media is not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[jms493]

People already beat me to it. So ignore this.
You wanna bet on the savings reaching you the consumer? You think the price of your games will drop any?


Start here.
But hear is my view on digital downloads. Either the reseller needs to keep great records of the games, or we need an easy way to back the games up just in case of some HDW disaster. And their would have to be some convenient way to purchase and install games for those w/o internet access. There are ways to make this convenient on the new consoles. KG mentioned one way. Games on little USB Flash Drives.

I like the idea of NOT having to keep changing a physical disk.

So I want physical media that I can save the installation program on in case I need to reinstall something. Either I uninstalled it or for system crash recovery. Some way to reinstall outside of relying on the digital download companies keeping accurate records.

I actually like the idea, but only if implementation is done in a sensible way to reach all consumers and to always be able to reinstall from some kind of storage medium. Flash drives would be really nice for this if flash drives were as inexpensive as DVD's. I haven't thought about this too much, but I think I would want one game per flash drive in case the flash drive goes to hell on you. Then you are trying to recover one game install instead of a bunch of game installs.

Sounds like you never used the Steam or Origin or Battle.net Service.....

I can access Diablo from any computer in the world whenever....I just need to download and install. I have Diablo installed on my PC and Laptop....one purchase. If my laptop blows up or gets stolen....I buy another and reinstall. All I need is internet access obviously.