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Fedor, UFC finalizing deal

I'm convinced that the deal won't happen for another 3-5 years. If you look at it through Dana's perspective, the Brock-Fedor fight is only really the most anticipated fight in MMA history through the eyes of the hardcore fans. Those same guys who already buy all the MMA pay-per-views they can get their hands on anyways. It would be a little bit more money for the PPV, but not as much as say a Kimbo-Brock fight, which casual fans would buy into more.
 
I would really really want to see Fedor and Brock destroy another opponent before matching them up.

Brock/Fedor would be about as big as UFC100. I think only hardcore MMA fans think this is the biggest fight ever. Noone knows who Fedor is outside of HC.
You need to put his name on the map. You put him in the cage you pub him as undefeated for nearly a decade , the last emperor who has beaten everyone in his path you have Goldberg and Rogan hype his highlight reels and his destructions of AA and Sylvia ... you have Brock and him both go out and pummel a can before they face and you could have THE biggest UFC event and fight ever.

As it stands you HAVE to pub and push and market it as the biggest fight ever. UFC does that every other year.

Honest to god CroCops lackluster ass fucked it all up. Noone wants to risk fedor getting dropped by a ham and egger.

Look if Brock beats Fedor , Fedor is useless. Another euro no name who gets wrecked like that croation guy with pink shorts is what most new fans will think.

Hell bring in Tank Abbot,or Ken Shamrock and let Fedor wreck one of them just to be certain he wins.
 
this whole thing is very funny, the emotions it brings out in some people is crazy, not you guys, just from reading other websites

'fedor is dead to me!'

'fedor is ducking brock!'

'vadim is killing fedors legacy'

etc....

We don’t know the deal, what was leaked was taken as fact for some reason, even if it is true it’s not what they want, both sides are negotiating

If Fedor does or doesnt fight in the UFC its not a big of a deal as it is made out to be, it must be the huge influx of pro wrestling fans because the fan reaction to this is out of control right now

sidenote: but it is fun to talk about
 
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I don't buy this offer is real.

The article is deceptive, because they throw in "Dave Meltzer Update" to give it credibility, when the only thing from Meltzer in the entire article in the blurb at the end about the deal "falling through" (Meltzer had that in his daily website update today on his pay site).

I can't see Dana offering Fedor anything close to those terms. It would blow his pay structure to bits, and it would be almost impossible to cover that $5M, even for the Lesnar fight, especially if he's also getting a cut of the PPV money (which UFC main eventers make most of their money on).

Not to mention splitting profits with M-1 for the Lesnar fight.

UFC would probably lose money in that deal.

I dont know why this offer was taken as fact, maybe its true, but I doubt it

If they pay Fedor 5 mill a fight, what do you think Brock, GSP, And1, Randy, Penn, etc..are going to want? It would just create a mess
 
also, funny the stuff that leaked is what puts the UFC in a good light, you have no idea about the likeness rights, length of contract, is the champion clause involved, etc...

I am not even saying what the UFC is offering is good or bad, but you dont know what the contract is fully, we have no idea
 
I didnt see it, but read that ESPN reported that Fedor didnt sign with the UFC, not sure what show it was on, I think it was on Sportscenter

The UFC is actually giving Fedor more power and making him bigger than they should be
 
from bloodyelbow.com on the contract offer, ufc or strikeforce, etc...

"The numbers being floated there are a little misleading. The UFC’s offer of $30 million over six fights isn’t a guarantee," Snowden learned from a source. "The number is based on Zuffa’s projections of what Fedor’s take of the PPV money would be, and the numbers they are projecting are based on selling a ton of PPV’s. The actual guarantee for Fedor is much more modest. It’s true that if business stays at record levels Fedor could walk away with $30 million. But that is no guarantee."

This has a certain ring of truth to it. Fedor's in a position where he doesn't have to sign for terms that hinge on a lot of "IF we do X PPV sales, then you'll get Y dollars." Going for the guaranteed money is just plain smart on his part.

Here's something else to think about. From the moment the deals were being rumored, I believed that Dana White and Zuffa were so confident that Brock Lesnar would beat Fedor in the Russian's first UFC fight that they were willing to offer lots of terms (loosening the champion clause etc) that they would not have offered if Fedor was going to be facing Randy Couture, Cro-Cop and Big Nog in his three UFC fights.

I think Fedor also is concerned that he might lose to Brock Lesnar -- and there's nothing wrong with that, Lesnar is a beast -- and even a 30% chance of Lesnar winning the first fight is a big risk for Fedor. Especially in his first fight in a cage with elbows on the ground. Fedor's history of getting cut in fights makes a cut stoppage from an elbow an exceedingly likely outcome.

In closing, here's the case for Strikeforce:

No elbows on the ground.

Willingness to co-promote. Remember, Fedor isn't just a client of M-1, he's supposedly a 20% owner -- that's twice the share Dana White has in the UFC. There's also a strong element of Russian nationalism. Fedor's never been seen on national television in Russia. Affliction had just scored a deal to do that. Also, don't forget how "business" is done in Russia. I don't want to speculate, but if I was Fedor, I'd be very hesitant to dump my Russian partners.

Strikeforce's roster of Brett Rogers, Fabricio Werdum and Alistair Overeem is a very credible roster of foes for Fedor -- they are ranked #8, 10 and 14, respectively, on this month's USAT/SBN MMA rankings. And I'm sure each would enjoy the "Josh Barnett effect" of rising several notches upon the announcement of a signed fight with Fedor.

Non-exclusivity. With Strikeforce, Fedor could quite possibly continue to fight in Japan on the odd New Year's Eve for DREAM, maybe even against Josh Barnett in a fight many still want to see.
Fedor has an enormous amount to lose if he makes the wrong step. Clearly his refusal to sign with the UFC and their aggressive PR will cost him the hearts of many MMA fans. At the same time, most of those fans will tune in to watch his next fight, regardless of opponent, especially if it's on CBS. If Strikeforce manages to book him against legitimate top 10 competition, he will only grow his appeal and be able to demand even more from the UFC if there is a next time.

Fedor has firmly established himself as the greatest heavyweight in MMA history thus far. He could decide to retire today and his legacy is secure. He really has nothing to prove. Sure he could potentially build an even bigger legacy in the sport by fighting in the UFC, but he could also damage his status as the (virtually) undefeated king of MMA.

Sure he'll take a hit with MMA fans in the U.S. But honestly, how much does Fedor care about that? He lives in Stary Oskul, Russia. How often do you think he logs onto Sherdog or BE to read the comments? The man has a financial future to think about and he's the one who steps in the ring/cage. He can do whatever he wants and the fans can either watch this supremely talented fighter and continue to wonder about might have beens or try to plug their ears and close their eyes. God willing, Fedor has many more fun fights in his future. Me, I'll be watching whatever he does.
 
Basically, it comes down to whether Fedor and/or his people want to test him in the UFC. If the contract offer is real, and they turn it down, it tells me they are desperate to keep total control over Fedor despite throwing away millions of dollars.

But I would LMAO if Fedor does return to Japan and ends up losing to some scrub.
 
Basically, it comes down to whether Fedor and/or his people want to test him in the UFC. If the contract offer is real, and they turn it down, it tells me they are desperate to keep total control over Fedor despite throwing away millions of dollars.

But I would LMAO if Fedor does return to Japan and ends up losing to some scrub.

its not about 'testing him' or 'ducking' or whatever

Fedor wants to fight UFC fighters, but doesnt want to be a UFC fighter, there is a difference

I told you guys many times that it will be like boxing in the future, stuff like this is what I was talking about

Thats why the UFC is trying to throw money at Fedor and M1 so they dont have to co-promote, but they are not taking it
 
Take the money, Fedor. You will never get another pay day like this. In the end, it is all about making as much money as possible in the limited time you have on top. This will get Fedor a ton of money and possibly more through endorsements.

Not to mention that I really think Fedor wants to go out being the undisputed best around the world. He has sold himself to Japan and outside of hardcore fans, he isn't nearly as exposed in America as he should be.
 
I don't buy this offer is real.

The article is deceptive, because they throw in "Dave Meltzer Update" to give it credibility, when the only thing from Meltzer in the entire article in the blurb at the end about the deal "falling through" (Meltzer had that in his daily website update today on his pay site).

I can't see Dana offering Fedor anything close to those terms. It would blow his pay structure to bits, and it would be almost impossible to cover that $5M, even for the Lesnar fight, especially if he's also getting a cut of the PPV money (which UFC main eventers make most of their money on).

Not to mention splitting profits with M-1 for the Lesnar fight.

UFC would probably lose money in that deal.


"The numbers being floated there are a little misleading. The UFC’s offer of $30 million over six fights isn’t a guarantee," Snowden learned from a source. "The number is based on Zuffa’s projections of what Fedor’s take of the PPV money would be, and the numbers they are projecting are based on selling a ton of PPV’s. The actual guarantee for Fedor is much more modest. It’s true that if business stays at record levels Fedor could walk away with $30 million. But that is no guarantee."

I knew those numbers had to be bullshit. Zuffa isnt paying anyone $5M guarunteed per fight. GTFO. They would almost certainly lose money.

I also agree with a point rob made a few posts back, about UFC not doing itself any favors by building up Fedor. All this talk makes him bigger in the eyes of the UFC fans, most of whom have never seen him fight, and didnt give a shit about him a few months ago. Now, because of all this hype, UFC has backed it self into a corner and now must deliver on something they never really needed anyway.
 
Not to mention that I really think Fedor wants to go out being the undisputed best around the world.

He already is. He has nothing to prove in this regard.

JeremyHight said:
He has sold himself to Japan and outside of hardcore fans, he isn't nearly as exposed in America as he should be.

He probably dosen't care. He isnt american, and dosen't have any sort of ego to speak of.

This is a guy who says he he spends his free time playing chess with his kids, and "for fun" he likes to talk to his parents and go to church.

I doubt he really gives a shit what americans think of him, or what his place in history will be.
 
I knew those numbers had to be bullshit. Zuffa isnt paying anyone $5M guarunteed per fight. GTFO. They would almost certainly lose money.

I also agree with a point rob made a few posts back, about UFC not doing itself any favors by building up Fedor. All this talk makes him bigger in the eyes of the UFC fans, most of whom have never seen him fight, and didnt give a shit about him a few months ago. Now, because of all this hype, UFC has backed it self into a corner and now must deliver on something they never really needed anyway.

cracked me up when everyone was screaming that Fedor wont take 5 mill + PPV, etc...

they would never give that type of money to 1 guy when they have all these other guys that are bigger draws

GSP, Brock, Randy, etc...would riot, lol

The UFC shills in the media and fans are out of control right now
 
He already is. He has nothing to prove in this regard.



He probably dosen't care. He isnt american, and dosen't have any sort of ego to speak of.

This is a guy who says he he spends his free time playing chess with his kids, and "for fun" he likes to talk to his parents and go to church.

I doubt he really gives a shit what americans think of him, or what his place in history will be.

The biggest thing for him is to make MMA a huge sport in Russia. Affliction had signed a deal with a Russian TV station and this was going to be one of the first times he could be seen live in the Motherland.

In MMA there is always going to be a 'new big thing' he has to 'prove' himself against. Right now, it's Brock. But if he were to beat him and then in two years some other giant came along, does Fedor then have to prove himself again? No! He proved himself against his contemporaries in a dominant fashion and has earned the right to do what he wants to do
 
In MMA there is always going to be a 'new big thing' he has to 'prove' himself against. Right now, it's Brock. But if he were to beat him and then in two years some other giant came along, does Fedor then have to prove himself again? No! He proved himself against his contemporaries in a dominant fashion and has earned the right to do what he wants to do

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Thanked Post.

Yes.

This guy gets it.

Word.
 
Fedor needs to fight Brock now to make him a real champ, unless Carwin KO's Brock, than he needs to fight Carwin unless Cain beats Carwin and Brock than Fedor needs to really prove himself against Cain, but dont forget Nog might sub Randy and triangle Brock than Fedor will have to beat Nog for the 3rd time to really beat Nog because this time it will be in a cage
 
Fedor needs to fight Brock now to make him a real champ, unless Carwin KO's Brock, than he needs to fight Carwin unless Cain beats Carwin and Brock than Fedor needs to really prove himself against Cain, but dont forget Nog might sub Randy and triangle Brock than Fedor will have to beat Nog for the 3rd time to really beat Nog because this time it will be in a cage

not going to happen
 
not going to happen

Way to debunk a sarcastic comment :rolleyes:

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