FISHER ON HIS WAY OUT OF TENN

[BrntO4Life]

Being a good coach involves understanding that you need the right people around you to be successful. Admitting that is important. IMO fans get too caught up on who's an X's and O's of coach and who isn't.....some people are good at X's and O's while others are great at personnel, team management, dealing with personalities, etc. In the end its about winning football games and Mack Brown and Jeff Fisher do that.

I'm a Ravens fan. Jon Harbaugh is a CEO type of coach, but that's what he's good at. I don't fault him for not getting into the offensive huddle and then running to the defensive huddle to draw up some plays or make adjustments......that's what he has a coaching staff that specialize in specific areas for.

So, agreeing with me regarding Fisher as a CEO, you would then argue he's done a great job of it recently?

Publicly dragging one of his players over the coals is something I could never see Mack Brown doing. Regarding VY, all Fisher had to do was acknowledge that it happened and say nothing more, but continued to let out bitchy comments in press conferences.

If he were a really great personnel guy, he would realize that you can't treat every player the exact same and expect the same results. VY is a bit of a diva, but he also helps this team way more than he hurts and Fisher has to understand that. He didn't and proceeded to lose the locker room in the process.

If VY stays in Tennessee, they need to find a coach that is willing to work with him in much the same way Andy Reid worked with Vick. Tailor the offense to your QBs abilities instead of attempting to handcuff him and then blame him when he gets pissed.

In the end, I think both should move on, but I don't think Bud allows VY to leave before his contract is up.

 

[manchild24]

i find it interesting that the OP used caps in his title to shout this info at us....like its new news or wasnt expected

really I was typing something at work in CAPS and saw this story and posted it. DIDNT DO IT FOR ANY REASON LOL

 

[Woy]

So, agreeing with me regarding Fisher as a CEO, you would then argue he's done a great job of it recently?

Publicly dragging one of his players over the coals is something I could never see Mack Brown doing. Regarding VY, all Fisher had to do was acknowledge that it happened and say nothing more, but continued to let out bitchy comments in press conferences.

I'm just going to add that this is the third time he's had trouble with the starting quarterback - at the end of Steve McNair's career in Tennessee (although that was more on Reinfeldt), Billy Volek and now VY.

 

[Maynard]

i think another thing that adds to fishers aura of being great is the SB he went too. That game was one of the great all time SB and prior to that the SB had been full of blowouts and crappy games.

im not saying he is a bad coach, but he really does have an illusion (like brnt said) of greatness that isnt correct. i mean 6 winning seasons out of 16 is not very good.

 

[ralaw]

So, agreeing with me regarding Fisher as a CEO, you would then argue he's done a great job of it recently?

Publicly dragging one of his players over the coals is something I could never see Mack Brown doing. Regarding VY, all Fisher had to do was acknowledge that it happened and say nothing more, but continued to let out bitchy comments in press conferences.

If he were a really great personnel guy, he would realize that you can't treat every player the exact same and expect the same results. VY is a bit of a diva, but he also helps this team way more than he hurts and Fisher has to understand that. He didn't and proceeded to lose the locker room in the process.

If VY stays in Tennessee, they need to find a coach that is willing to work with him in much the same way Andy Reid worked with Vick. Tailor the offense to your QBs abilities instead of attempting to handcuff him and then blame him when he gets pissed.

In the end, I think both should move on, but I don't think Bud allows VY to leave before his contract is up.

Given the expectations I don't think he handled it well this year, but I also believe he's done enough to warrant being given another chance.

As far as VY he handled him in the way VY has acted throughout his career when things haven't gone his way. Given his actions I'm not sure Fisher's handling of him caused him to lose the locker room. I don't think VY has that much support in the locker room to warrant the players turning on Fisher. Actually, I'm not even sure how you can say he lost the locker room, because that's not what I saw from the team going down the stretch.

In saying Fisher is a CEO type I'm not saying that he handles every situation and player perfectly. Obviously, he's going to miss at times...as any coach whether they're a CEO type or X's and O's type does. However, in this situation lets not lose signt of the fact that Fisher never wanted VY and lived with him because the owner wanted VY, so its not as if he's going to go out of his way to make VY feel happy. VY got hurt this season and Fisher had to play the majority of the season with Kerry Collins and later Rusty Smith. I'm not sure how successful a team can be with the current QB situation. Chris Johnson wasn't carrying the team this year like he did to close out the season last year.

 

[Senser81]

And Fisher has done a TERRIBLE job as CEO this season, especially with his handling of the VY situation. I'm certainly not on VY's side, as he's too immature for me, but the Head Coach needs to act like the bigger man in that situation, which Fisher didn't do.

WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT!!

Fisher was put into a ridiculous situation, with Bud Adams forcing Fisher to play Vince Young. Knowing that he was going to be canned at the end of the season anyways, Fisher probably should have pulled a Childress and cut Young himself. How exactly should Fisher have "handled" the situation? Kerry Collins obviously gave the Titans a better chance of winning, yet Fisher was forced to play Young. LOL at it being Fisher's fault for an alleged "TERRIBLE" job as CEO, and not putting the blame on Adams for being a terrible owner, Young for being a terrible QB and lockerroom presence, and ignoring the fact that the Titans were down to their 3rd string QB.

 

[Maynard]

being forced to start VY is total speculation. and if he was forced and went along with it then thats his own fault for caving to the owners demands.

plus when has bud adams ever been know as an interfering owner?

 

[Woy]

being forced to start VY is total speculation. and if he was forced and went along with it then thats his own fault for caving to the owners demands.

plus when has bud adams ever been know as an interfering owner?

Senser is right when it comes to Adams. He's the one that told Fisher to make the change after the bye week and 59-0 drubbing in 2009. That being said, although Adams shouldn't have forced Young over Collins, Young should have been put into the starter's role after probably the third loss in that season, when Collins went 0-13 in the 4th quarter against the Jets. The team needed a spark somewhere after being hailed as a SB contender, but instead they went and got blown out by Jacksonville, Indy and New England respectively.

Judging just by on-field performance, Young has become a better quarterback over the past two seasons. He still has trouble with his fumbling, but he read defenses better and made a lot of precise throws. I hate using this stat, but his rating (98.6) wasn't that much of a fluke. He was improving and finally looking like a legitimate quarterback.

Collins didn't give the team a better chance to win after the 2008 season; once again, it was obvious after the Jets game in 2009. He's a fine backup who can occasionally get some wins when he's forced into the starters role because of injury (Philly [although Kenny Britt bailed him out that game] and Houston) but Vince gave the team the best chance to win the past two seasons in the long run.

 

[BrntO4Life]

Kerry Collins obviously gave the Titans a better chance of winning, yet Fisher was forced to play Young.

Collins' and VY's respective records as the starting QB don't agree with your shallow assessment. Is VY a perfect QB? Not by any means. Is he a better QB than Collins? Yes.

I'm not going to get into an argument surrounding VY's benching and suspension, but when your QB comes back from the locker room and is throwing fine, you put him in. Fisher is petty, that much is obvious. Sure, he didn't get the QB he wanted, but I don't think either of the other options really leaves much to be desired.

Also, your clipart game is stale.

 

[Senser81]

Collins' and VY's respective records as the starting QB don't agree with your shallow assessment. Is VY a perfect QB? Not by any means. Is he a better QB than Collins? Yes.

I'm not going to get into an argument surrounding VY's benching and suspension, but when your QB comes back from the locker room and is throwing fine, you put him in. Fisher is petty, that much is obvious. Sure, he didn't get the QB he wanted, but I don't think either of the other options really leaves much to be desired.

Also, your clipart game is stale.

 

[Senser81]

plus when has bud adams ever been know as an interfering owner?

Adams has lost his mind. Much like Pat Bowlen at Denver.

 

[BrntO4Life]

Adams has lost his mind. Much like Pat Bowlen at Denver.

No mention of Al Davis? I guess that's just beating a dead horse.

 

[Senser81]

No mention of Al Davis? I guess that's just beating a dead horse.

Davis has always been an interfering owner, and his "meddling" the last decade has been documented.

But with Adams and Bowlen, I think they have just recently gone off the deep end. Very erratic behavior from both of them.

 

[Irish]

If Fisher is gone and Vince Young stays, I won't be a Titans fan anymore.

Because that is the most retarded thing fr them to do.

 

[BrntO4Life]

If Fisher is gone and Vince Young stays, I won't be a Titans fan anymore.

Because that is the most retarded thing fr them to do.

What if Bud Adams fired everyone, cloned himself 5000 times, and put said clones to work as players, operations staff, coaching staff, and concession crew?

 

[Woy]

What if Bud Adams fired everyone, cloned himself 5000 times, and put said clones to work as players, operations staff, coaching staff, and concession crew?

I'd still support them, because I don't feel like personnel decisions should affect someone's allegiance to their favorite team.

 

[bucky]

You can have Matt Flynn for the right draft pick. He outplayed Brady in his only start.
:smug:

 

[Irish]

What if Bud Adams fired everyone, cloned himself 5000 times, and put said clones to work as players, operations staff, coaching staff, and concession crew?

If he can make a better hot dog than the negros currently there, then maybe I will sway back.

 

[GoChargers]

If Fisher is gone and Vince Young stays, I won't be a Titans fan anymore.

Because that is the most retarded thing fr them to do.

Yousound pretty weak if you're gonna drop your favourite team because they get rid of a coach that you like.

From an outsiders perspective, obviously not knowing as much as most Titan fans, Fisher is past it and Young will have a fairly successful career in the NFL. I'd get rid of Fisher before Young any day of the week.

 

[Herm]

Both should be gone.

6 winning seasons in 18 years should have dictated that anyways.

You do realize the Titans spend the equivalent of the Grizzlies or Clippers in free agency right? Fisher has made chicken salad out of chicken shit for years.

I'd be okay if Fisher and VY are both gone honestly, but i hate to see them start all over again at qb. If i had my choice of one of the two i'd keep fisher but obviously Adams and Reinfeldt arent asking me.