Is Jonathan Vilma the NFL "escape goat"?

[FirstTimer]

mg:

 

[EmpireWF]

I guess I'm the only one who would like to see the evidence? Sue me for it. As far as the whole homer blah blah shit. Cut it out. Still to this day only the businessmen and women are completely appalled at this while the players continue to shrug it off. Many even defending it, but what do they know. There are always 3 sides to a story. Each persons story and the truth. We have only gotten one part of the story, but you idiots are taking it as fact. Homer has absolutely nothing to do with expecting the "evidence" to be available to the open and maintaining judgement for when the ENTIRE STORY is available to everyone. Bet you don't even know half the shit you vote for either. Fucking dumbasses the lot of you. Juts quick to talk down to someone yet look like an imbecile in the process. This rant is the end of my participation in Bounty Gate until the truth is out there.

If this was the Falcons this was happening to, I think you'd be a lot less inclined to want to "see evidence."

The Saints brass is not denying this happened. Why do you think that is?

 

[Senser81]

Cornelius was formerly known as "Madden4Life" IIRC

Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Senser81]

I thought JohnnyEctasy was Nuk's alt?

True, but I thought he stopped posting with his "Nuk" account, and started using Cornelius instead. I thought Madden4Life has his own VSD account of "Madden4Life".

 

[FirstTimer]

If this was the Falcons this was happening to, I think you'd be a lot less inclined to want to "see evidence."

The Saints brass is not denying this happened. Why do you think that is?

Because the Saints brass is part of the conspiracy.

DUH

 

[Juggernaut]

True, but I thought he stopped posting with his "Nuk" account, and started using Cornelius instead. I thought Madden4Life has his own VSD account of "Madden4Life".

Huh, that's a shame. I actually liked "Nuk" in some threads. If Cornelius and Nuk are 1 in the same, then his trolling ability has gone down.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Cornelius = Madden4Life

Same angry, shitty poster.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Lmao.. GMO food is the devil maaan. The irony of cornelius bitching about me using ad hominem is too much.

 

[KNUBB]

If this was the Falcons this was happening to, I think you'd be a lot less inclined to want to "see evidence."

The Saints brass is not denying this happened. Why do you think that is?

That would make me a hypocrite and that is something I am not. I am pretty consistent in my views and it wouldn't matter if it was any other team. That is where all of you have it confused. You assume that I feel like my team is being targeted for nothing. I don't care who the team is. As far as everyone shooting down how this doesn't break into the federal crime. Don't you think the IRS wants to know if money passed hands. You're all too caught up in the hysteria. If you look at it like I see it then you would understand why I feel like the evidence must be let out in the public. There HAS to be something the NFL doesn't want everyone to see. I am pretty sure the report will be released either through the courts via lawsuits from the NFLPA or if the feds want to get involved.

No anything the "Saints brass" is saying isn't being reported by the national media. I have heard several statements about how this entire situation has been exaggerated to an extent. Also to those thinking that these appeals go straight to Goodell are mistaken. The front office ones were labeled as "Conduct detrimental to the league" which is why they went to Goodell. Anything otherwise goes to arbitration. There are so many other questions that must be taken into account regarding the players. Did they even know if the front office was told to stop? This type of question must be asked. Which is why there is a solid chance of these appeals going to arbitration or even the courts. If it goes to courts then these players could potentially play this season as it would be on the same level as the StarCaps cases.

 

[Cornelius]

Lmao.. GMO food is the devil maaan. The irony of cornelius bitching about me using ad hominem is too much.

Sven, this is a case where correlation =/= causation doesn't apply. You lack the basic scientific knowledge that one would need to know to know that telling a morbidly obese person to do HIIT cardio is a bad idea at best, and potentially life threatening at worse. What's worse is that you're a paleotard to boot

It's ironic because you never state an argument without a personal attack?

Just so I keep it on topic for those that care.... :thumbsup:

I think Goodell is too quick to make examples of people. He should make an example of himself and step down.

 

[SethMode]

That would make me a hypocrite and that is something I am not. I am pretty consistent in my views and it wouldn't matter if it was any other team. That is where all of you have it confused. You assume that I feel like my team is being targeted for nothing. I don't care who the team is. As far as everyone shooting down how this doesn't break into the federal crime. Don't you think the IRS wants to know if money passed hands. You're all too caught up in the hysteria. If you look at it like I see it then you would understand why I feel like the evidence must be let out in the public. There HAS to be something the NFL doesn't want everyone to see. I am pretty sure the report will be released either through the courts via lawsuits from the NFLPA or if the feds want to get involved.

No anything the "Saints brass" is saying isn't being reported by the national media. I have heard several statements about how this entire situation has been exaggerated to an extent. Also to those thinking that these appeals go straight to Goodell are mistaken. The front office ones were labeled as "Conduct detrimental to the league" which is why they went to Goodell. Anything otherwise goes to arbitration. There are so many other questions that must be taken into account regarding the players. Did they even know if the front office was told to stop? This type of question must be asked. Which is why there is a solid chance of these appeals going to arbitration or even the courts. If it goes to courts then these players could potentially play this season as it would be on the same level as the StarCaps cases.

As a former lawyer, I can spot lawyer shit when I see it. I don't know what will come of all of this, but this entire post is super bullshit.

 

[KNUBB]

I'm no lawyer. I'm a computer science major.

but I do think like one.

and that post was as genuine as the internet can allow.

 

[SethMode]

I'm no lawyer. I'm a computer science major.

but I do think like one.

and that post was as genuine as the internet can allow.

Believe me, I know that you're not a lawyer.

I don't doubt that it was genuine. That doesn't change the fact that it's super bullshit.

To be fair, I am not judging either way. This kind of shit is so pointless. I'm just pointing out bullshit because I think it's fun to.

 

[ryne candy]

NO thinks so much of themselves that the NFL is out to get them. I understand them wanting it out of his hands (being he is judge/jury) but they may not have the choice...seems like they are going to be stuck like chuck.

 

[MaybeNextYear]

Does anyone know if it was Vilma who ran the whole bounty system, Greg Williams, or the perfect storm of two clowns in the same locker room?

 

[EmpireWF]

So much for Knubb's contentions...

Yahoo! obtained paperwork that was signed by Anthony Hargrove and given to the league by the NFLPA. He said Joe Vitt and Gregg Williams told him to deny the existence of the program to the league.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--d...e-vitt.html;_ylt=Ap3lQFucUuS09zCB5uKNCbE5nYcB

 

[KNUBB]

In documents like this wording is everything.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ays-williams-vitt-told-him-to-just-play-dumb/

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

In documents like this wording is everything.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ays-williams-vitt-told-him-to-just-play-dumb/

LOL. That link just seals the deal more in my mind. The Saints coaches would have no reason to "coach" players on what to say if nothing was going on. Hargrove's contention that he said what he was told to say, while never admitting the program existed, is just Hargrove trying to save his own ass while passing the blame to coaches he doesn't work for anymore.

Williams said he was going to deny the existence of a bounty, and that Hargrove should deny it, too. Per Hargrove, Williams said, “Those motherf-ckers [the NFL] have been trying to get me for years,” and that, if they “stay on the same page, this will blow over.”

Hargrove admits that Williams said this to him. Why would Williams make a statement like this if nothing was going on?

It may simply be semantics, given that Williams and Vitt apparently confessed to the existence of a bounty program — which necessarily means that Hargrove had lied. But in his declaration he never says that he lied, and he never admits that the bounty program existed.

Oh, it may be semantics, Mike Florio? LOL. Florio should be ashamed of himself for writing this trash, and giving any sort of credibility to the idea that Hargrove was being coached to merely tell the truth. This is nothing more than Hargrove trying to lawyer his way out of a suspension.

At this point, you could show KNUBB video tapes of everybody involved signing notarized confessions of WE DID IT, THE BOUNTY PROGRAM EXISTED AND WE TRIED TO HURT PEOPLE FOR MONEY, and he would still find a way to spin it. "Wording is everything", only if you are desperately trying to cling to the idea that this is a massive frame job (with no motive that makes any sort of sense).

Stubborn homer is stubborn.

 

[leaffan]

I'm just happy Knubb isn't going through to be a lawyer because he's god awful at this.

 

[KNUBB]

The word bounty was never once used in the document or at all by anyone other than the NFL and the media. That "confession" could easily be twisted to say it was for a pay-for-performance program(Which is still against the rules and could still be what they were covering up).