Is Jonathan Vilma the NFL "escape goat"?

[SethMode]

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The word bounty was never once used in the document or at all by anyone other than the NFL and the media. That "confession" could easily be twisted to say it was for a pay-for-performance program(Which is still against the rules and could still be what they were covering up).

If it was a pay for performance program, the NFL would have punished them for a pay for performance program. You still have zero logical basis for the NFL framing the Saints and turning it into a bounty program. Why would Goodell willingly twist this into a far worse situation from a PR standpoint? Makes zero sense, none. Goodell is not going to flippantly use the word 'bounty' unless it was a bounty.

And if this wacky, unrealistic conspiracy theory were the case, why wouldn't the Saints coaches and Loomis come out and say, "hey look, we confessed to a pay for performance program, not a bounty program, the NFL is full of shit"? Sounds like slander to me. Why have they not lawyered up? That's rhetorical, btw.

You are grasping at straws, bro.

 

[nwfisch]

If it was a pay for performance program, the NFL would have punished them for a pay for performance program. You still have zero logical basis for the NFL framing the Saints and turning it into a bounty program. Why would Goodell willingly twist this into a far worse situation from a PR standpoint? Makes zero sense, none. Goodell is not going to flippantly use the word 'bounty' unless it was a bounty.

And if this wacky, unrealistic conspiracy theory were the case, why wouldn't the Saints coaches and Loomis come out and say, "hey look, we confessed to a pay for performance program, not a bounty program, the NFL is full of shit"? Sounds like slander to me. Why have they not lawyered up? That's rhetorical, btw.

You are grasping at straws, bro.

That's what I don't get.

Fans can still hang their hat on a Super Bowl title. It's not like that can be taken away from the Saints.

 

[Bigpapa42]

Jesus KNUBB... even on a site rife with fanboy homerism... this is high level fanboy homerism...

 

[KNUBB]

I can't find the evidence to back up a bounty program. I'll wait for the NFL to show it to me. There was nothing out of the ordinary on the field. Which is why it is difficult for me to believe what the media and the NFL is spoon feeding you people. You wanna know about the people who got suspended. They account for a total of 6 personal fouls over the course of the 3 year timeline this is set out to be. 4 players. Only 6 fouls. This is suppose to be guys out to hurt people. That is a fact. Something the shield has yet shown anyone. A fact or a piece of evidence.

 

[Juggernaut]

I can't find the evidence to back up a bounty program. I'll wait for the NFL to show it to me. There was nothing out of the ordinary on the field. Which is why it is difficult for me to believe what the media and the NFL is spoon feeding you people. You wanna know about the people who got suspended. They account for a total of 6 personal fouls over the course of the 3 year timeline this is set out to be. 4 players. Only 6 fouls. This is suppose to be guys out to hurt people. That is a fact. Something the shield has yet shown anyone. A fact or a piece of evidence.

A fact is an admission of guilt. If you plead guilty to a crime, you don't need any evidence proving you are guilty.

 

[EmpireWF]

I hope he's trolling.

 

[Rblake]

I hope he's trolling.

Or he needs to get his pipes checked for lead.

 

[KNUBB]

A fact is an admission of guilt. If you plead guilty to a crime, you don't need any evidence proving you are guilty.

Care to explain why they are appealing then and why many are still denying bounties?

 

[FirstTimer]

Care to explain why they are appealing then and why many are still denying bounties?

NFL players appeal everything. The NFLPA pushes them to do this stuff. It's more of a formality than anything. The best part of these appeals is that they aren't even appealing the fact that there was or wasn't a bounty program(because there was...everyone has admitted to it Vilma says he wants to see "evidence" :yao they are appealing Goodell's power to actually suspend them in general for this long...whether it be for a bounty program or jay walking. One of the players is appealing the suspension because the bounty program existed before the new CBA. So now only has another player admitted the bounty program existed he thinks he shouldn't even be suspended for it.

Get a clue.

 

[FirstTimer]

Knubb has now ascended to one of the worst posters in VSN history with his showing in this thread.

 

[FirstTimer]

Last week, former U.S. attorney Mary Jo White, who was hired by the NFL to evaluate its bounty investigation, said there was evidence from "multiple independent sources" that shows players received payments for hits on targeted opponents.

The NFL has said its investigation included 18,000 documents comprising nearly 50,000 pages.

White said the NFL has shared ample evidence with suspended players and the NFLPA,

Yeah, I'm sure the NFL legal team would come out and just say that if it weren't true.

 

[Senser81]

Knubb has now ascended to one of the worst posters in VSN history with his showing in this thread.

The list of "worst posters in VSN history" is constantly expanding...like the universe.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Geez.. even I knew I was being a homer when I argued Hines Ward was as good as Chris Carter.

This shit is beyond retarded at this point.

 

[ralaw]

It's amazing how certain topics that are close to the heart can kill a posters' VSN Power Ranking.

 

[FirstTimer]

I like how Knubbs argument is basically that Goodell suspended the Saints coaching staff, front office, and players and fined them and penalized them with no actual proof.

It's pretty funny, when the Saints are accused of something there is no proof of, they are pretty quick to come out against it(wiretaps) but when the bounty program broke they sat back and took their medicine and did nothing but apologize.

Gee, I wonder why.

 

[KNUBB]

You think I care about some list you homos have? I wanna see the evidence. All there is to it. I'm the only person actually talking about the topic. The rest of you are just talking shit about me. Stay on topic. All anyone has done is regurgitate what they have read somewhere. Do some research. Watch a game. Do something and judge on your own instead of just accepting what is said as fact. So the point of so few personal fouls from people out to injure people isn't relevant? There is no basis on it? Talk to me instead of being dicks and all condescending to me. If you can't do that then how does that make me such a bad poster?

 

[ralaw]

I also find it funny how Saints supporters make it seem as if Goodell hasn't submitted his proof, so that obviously means he just picked random names out of a hat to punish. Goodell is a smart dude with even smarter lawyers....I suspect they knew what suspending these players and coaches was going to cause, which is more litigation to which I am sure they are prepared for.

 

[KNUBB]

I like how Knubbs argument is basically that Goodell suspended the Saints coaching staff, front office, and players and fined them and penalized them with no actual proof.

It's pretty funny, when the Saints are accused of something there is no proof of, they are pretty quick to come out against it(wiretaps) but when the bounty program broke they sat back and took their medicine and did nothing but apologize.

Gee, I wonder why.

You want more of the denials. Like these guys are just taking this?

Here you go.

"At no time did I ever tell Anthony Hargrove to lie or deny the existence (of the alleged bounty program)," Vitt said. "He can say whatever he wants to say. It just didn't happen."

"We had a pot for big plays, the same thing everyone else in the league has, now they call them pay-for-performance. But we never paid for dirty hits," Vitt said. "I'll say it again, the exact same thing I told the commissioner, our players never crossed the white lines with an intent to maim or injure. They never threatened the integrity of the game when they crossed the white lines."

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/05/new_orleans_saints_interim_coa_1.html

Quotes like this have been said since this has been news, just hasn't been reported by the media at large. You can find quotes like this from all of them even Gregg Williams.

 

[FirstTimer]

I wanna see the evidence.

The Saints admitted to.

You actually want to see and read through the 50,000 page document?

That's hilarious.

So now you've gone from implying that there is no evidence to that you actually want to see it. Odd, the Saints themselves apologizing for the act isn't enough to kind of tip/knubb you off there is something to these accusations...nope. You need the NFL to FedEx you the documents so you can read through them.

I'm the only person actually talking about the topic.

You're the only one talking poorly about the topic, I guess we can give you that.

The rest of you are just talking shit about me.

Absurdly incorrect.

All anyone has done is regurgitate what they have read somewhere. Do some research.

:lol:

Hey genius. Looking something up and reading about it........ That's research.

If you can't do that then how does that make me such a bad poster?

Again with the "personal foul" BS. No one said the bounty program was for overtly illegal hits. You can go out and try to injure someone and still do it with a legal hit. Unload onto a guy more than you have to. Take a crack back shot at Kurt Warner when you can etc. As stupid as I think some NFL players are I would think the worst way to cover up a bounty program would be to go out and start diving at knees and going at people's heads on a regular and obvious basis.

I also find it funny how Saints supporters make it seem as if Goodell hasn't submitted his proof, so that obviously means he just picked random names out of a hat to punish. Goodell is a smart dude with even smarter lawyers....I suspect they knew what suspending these players and coaches was going to cause, which is more litigation to which I am sure they are prepared for.

No, ralaw. Goodell randomly chose guys to suspend with no proof thinking that there would be no challenges to these suspensions and everyone would just go away quietly and admit to things they didn't do. He even had enough foresight that he knew the Saints would apologize for having a bounty program they never had.