It doesn’t pay to play Division I ball

[FedEx227]

It doesn’t pay to play Division I ball

Study: It doesn?t pay to play Division I ball - Chicago Sun-Times

A national college athletes’ advocacy group and a sports management professor calculate in the report that if college sports shared their revenues the way pro sports do, the average Football Bowl Subdivision player would be worth $121,000 per year, while the average basketball player at that level would be worth $265,000 a year.

I eagerly anticipate the "DAA THEY GET COLLEGE FOR FREE!!111!"

Basically comes down to if the NCAA shared revenue like the NFL, MLB, or NBA the average college football player would be paid $121,000. Instead they are paid in something many of them don't want, something that costs their employers an extremely small amount of money, and which they can't sell.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

They get college for free.

What does the backup FB on North Texas get paid? How about the walk on 6th team LB at Louisianan Tech?

Slippery slope. If these kids don't wan't to be "taken advantage" of (laughable), nobody is forcing them to play football at a D1 school. Give the scholly back, i'm sure someone who appreciates it will take it.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

And what happens when the star QB on USC decides he is worth more than everyone else and holds out?

 

[Macken]

shit i hope the blacks dont see this

 

[FedEx227]

And what happens when the star QB on USC decides he is worth more than everyone else and holds out?

The same thing that happens with anyone who has a highly in demand skill.

 

[FedEx227]

nobody is forcing them to play football at a D1 school.

Well... what are the other viable options for someone with NFL aspirations?

 

[mgoblue2290]

Study: It doesn?t pay to play Division I ball - Chicago Sun-Times



I eagerly anticipate the "DAA THEY GET COLLEGE FOR FREE!!111!"

Basically comes down to if the NCAA shared revenue like the NFL, MLB, or NBA the average college football player would be paid $121,000. Instead they are paid in something many of them don't want, something that costs their employers an extremely small amount of money, and which they can't sell.

Seriously? Who wouldn't want a free education? Including room and board over 4 years college costs around $80,000. That means if these guys don't go professional or fail as a professional, they still have a college degree and are debt free. Its their fault if they don't use that opportunity to get a degree that will actually land them a job. Not to mention the countless connections they have made and free clothes they are given.

 

[FirstTimer]

They get college for free.

What does the backup FB on North Texas get paid? How about the walk on 6th team LB at Louisianan Tech?

Slippery slope. If these kids don't wan't to be "taken advantage" of (laughable), nobody is forcing them to play football at a D1 school. Give the scholly back, i'm sure someone who appreciates it will take it.

This.

Well... what are the other viable options for someone with NFL aspirations?

CFL?

UFL?

In the end it doesn't matter anyways because due to NFL Labor laws they'd have to sit around for two years anyways before they can even enter the draft.

Do not care. They get a free education that is worth upwards of 40K-50K per year, not to mention the exposure and major networking ops.

This scramble to pay college players is laughable. How quickly do you think all the sports(basically all of them except mens basketball and football) that lose money and fold would sue under TitleIX etc?

It won't work and I don't feel bad for Deion Walker.

 

[FedEx227]

Yes, the college degree they were given like 5-6 hours a day to actually focus on and by and large had most of the work done for them by tutors.

And lets please not forget receiving a piece of those bulk t-shirt orders. Oh boy.

 

[FirstTimer]

Seriously? Who wouldn't want a free education? Including room and board over 4 years college costs around $80,000. That means if these guys don't go professional or fail as a professional, they still have a college degree and are debt free. Its their fault if they don't use that opportunity to get a degree that will actually land them a job. Not to mention the countless connections they have made and free clothes they are given.

Try at least 120k.

Stanford is almost 200k.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yes, the college degree they were given like 5-6 hours a day to actually focus on and by and large had most of the work done for them by tutors.

And lets please not forget receiving a piece of those bulk t-shirt orders. Oh boy.

That's the student's fault/choice.

Still do not care.

 

[FedEx227]

Seriously? Who wouldn't want a free education?

I'd imagine a few members of the NBA All-Star team.

 

[FedEx227]

That's the student's fault/choice.

Still do not care.

You really think if a player on Notre Dame went to Brian Kelly and said, "Hey coach, I have a really big exam tomorrow and I'd like to go to the study session do you mind if I hop out of practice an hour early?"... that Kelly would gladly allow him to go since the student has made the choice to focus on his academics?

 

[FirstTimer]

You really think if a player on Notre Dame went to Brian Kelly and said, "Hey coach, I have a really big exam tomorrow and I'd like to go to the study session do you mind if I hop out of practice an hour early?"... that Kelly would gladly allow him to go since the student has made the choice to focus on his academics?

If it's Deion Walker I'm sure he could care less.

Plus that's an entirely different argument than the student allowing a tutor to do his work.

Frankly, I don't know what Kelly's reaction would be? Rage? :denarded: ? He'd be fine with it? I know the coaching staff and team at ND will work practice schedules around mid terms/ large exam times that are scheduled out as part of the school year. On a daily basis not sure how it operates but I can try and find out from some guys on the team/former players if you are really interested.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

You can't openly pay college athletes in money making sports.

Title IX laws will put the kibosh on that quickly.

Secondly, the excuse of "...they get a free education that is worth upwards of 40K-50K per year..." The high end of that number comprises of maybe...2% of athletes. Unless you are going to a high end private school, your tuition bill per year isn't touching 50K. University of Miami? Sure. FIU? The bill is...3K-5K a year? University of Florida...5K-6K? Most in-state institutions, where most schools get a majority of their student-athletes do not come close to these mythical high end figures they "make" for going to that institution.

Couple that with the "like it or lump it" mentality so many people have lately, its disgusting. These kids are the life blood of a billion dollar industry where everyone BUT them is rolling on beds of money. If you don't see something wrong with that, you're an idiot. But that isn't even the real crux of the issue, the issue is, the NCAA, who is making billions off these kids are PUNISHING kids and Universities (which hurts future kids who enroll at the institutions) for making money while they make billions off of them.

Take away the punishment and take away the "crime" of accepting benefits as an athlete and no one has an issue how much the NCAA makes off these kids versus how much the athlete can benefit. Then it all sorts itself out. Who cares if Reggie Bush, as an 18 year old man, can play for a University where one of the Universities boosters will pay for his mom and dad's housing and supply him with a car? Who cares if a high school has a bake sale to raise money for their prize football player to go to the Army All-American Game because he is essentially homeless? Who cares if a well off family takes an underprivileged kid in and takes care of him? Who cares if a player can sell his jersey for some money or in exchange for a suit or tattoo? Awful. F-. The NCAA wants to continue the slave system they have going, and now that there are so many stories out in the public, it is hard to keep that rationale going.

You can't fight extra benefits, you can't...it has been going on forever and it goes on at every University to some degree and now that the NCAA is making billions off of these same athletes they are punishing, it is very hard to keep the veil on this ridiculous institution.

Or, you could always allow basketball and football players to go pro without college (one of the other real villains in all of this are the NFL and NBA who love the idea of a free developmental system that they don't have to legislate or put money into)...much like hockey and baseball and all other sports where you can go pro at 18, make money in regards to sponsorships, etc.

 

[spiker]

Notre Dame schedules each players activities on a daily basis. It's very detailed. Their schedules run from about 7am to 10pm. I personally saw an itinerary for this season's preseason all the way up until the USF game. The gameday TV schedules are insanely regimented down to the minute. It's like "National Anthem - 3:03pm, Flyover - 3:04pm" etc.

 

[FedEx227]

Trust me, I don't think they should be openly paid either, I'm more for the free market, do whatever the fuck they want system.

 

[FirstTimer]

You can't openly pay college athletes in money making sports.

Title IX laws will put the kibosh on that quickly.

Secondly, the excuse of "...they get a free education that is worth upwards of 40K-50K per year..." The high end of that number comprises of maybe...2% of athletes. Unless you are going to a high end private school, your tuition bill per year isn't touching 50K. University of Miami? Sure. FIU? The bill is...3K-5K a year? University of Florida...5K-6K? Most in-state institutions, where most schools get a majority of their student-athletes do not come close to these mythical high end figures they "make" for going to that institution.

Not true at all(at least around here). Even a school like NIU, IU, etc the tuitions right now are far and above 15K a year. When I was at NIU about 8 years ago tuition, room &board all rolled in was around 15-17K a year. IU right now is near 30k a year I think, but I'd have to double check that.

UofI: http://admissions.illinois.edu/cost/tuition_freshman.html
NIU: http://www.niu.edu/bursar/tuition/estimator.shtml

NIU I chose the bargain basement options and still you're at 21-22k a year.(15 credit hrs a semester, cheapest dorm, cheapest meal plan etc.) I tried to estimate book costs based on what I paid when I was there.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Not true at all(at least around here). Even a school like NIU, IU, etc the tuitions right now are far and above 15K a year. When I was at NIU about 8 years ago tuition, room &board all rolled in was around 15-17K a year. IU right now is near 30k a year I think, but I'd have to double check that.

National Average for Public University Tuition is ~9K.
National Average for a Private University Tuition is ~35K.

Give or take a few on those numbers, as they might be old.

Couple then, financial aid a student would receive at said University and the number decreases.

Those numbers, where people talk about 50K/yr and 200K/4yr...those are at such the extreme high end and a majority of those are at institutions like the University of Miami, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. Really high end costs at private Universities. However, most D1A schools aren't that, they are public Universities where in-state tuition is rather low.

Regardless, student-athletes receiving a scholarship and monetary stipends for supplies, room, and board and giving them training in their field by million dollar staffs already lifts the veil of amateurism in the first place.

 

[FirstTimer]

National Average for Public University Tuition is ~9K.
National Average for a Private University Tuition is ~35K.

How many of these are D-1A football schools?

Regardless, student-athletes receiving a scholarship and monetary stipends for supplies, room, and board and giving them training in their field by million dollar staffs already lifts the veil of amateurism in the first place.

Valid point but that horse left the gate a while ago.

In the end though I agree with your initial remark that TitleIX/law suits in general would kill paying student athlete's based on what each sport brings in because what at least 80% of college teams would be forced to fold up if they weren't getting the funding from the money brought in by mens BB and FB?