Jordan shares his disappointment of Heat Big Three

[dave]

You would be the one to take a statement and turn it religious.

He brought up Jesus, not me.

I simply said I don't hold Queen James to Jesus' standards.

 

[Miami Flash15]

I am sick and tired of people saying the Cavs didn't put a team around Lebron.

We put a team around him. He fucking quit. He quit in the ECF last year and he quit against the Celtics this year in game 5 and 6. It wasn't that he didn't have help. It wasn't Le Elbow. He quit.

This team has had the best record in the NBA for the past 2 seasons. This same team swept the Lakers this past year, including a blowout on Christmas day in LA. They handed the Boston Celtics their worst home loss in the franchise's playoff history.

The Cavs developed this team around him. They gave him a squad he could win a championship with. But, as always, when Lebron doesn't get his way (I.E. Mike Brown), he takes his ball and goes home.

I love how Cavalier fans said that he quit and this and that. Same with the owner. "Oh he quit, he got away with this and that and this." Yet, they offered him a max deal. Yeah, they must not really want him for that $130 million offer.

If LeBron re-signed with Cleveland, you wouldn't have said he quit and all that non-sense.

 

[Primetime]

He brought up Jesus, not me.

I simply said I don't hold Queen James to Jesus' standards.

Jesus Christ was not a religious reference. It was a reference to perfection.

 

[dave]

Jesus Christ was not a religious reference. It was a reference to perfection.

Jesus Christ is a religious reference.

A better reference point would have been Michael Jordan, where this argument was concerned.

 

[Primetime]

I love how Cavalier fans said that he quit and this and that. Same with the owner. "Oh he quit, he got away with this and that and this." Yet, they offered him a max deal. Yeah, they must not really want him for that $130 million offer.

If LeBron re-signed with Cleveland, you wouldn't have said he quit and all that non-sense.

It's all just jealousy man. I'd be upset losing the best player in basketball too, but I'm not going to be a pussy about it and blame him for things he couldn't control. Sorry the Cavs have a shitty team, just be happy you were able to watch him for as long as you did.

 

[Miami Flash15]

I can't speak for everyone but when I talk second fiddle I mean in the eyes of the masses from an off-the-court perspective. LeBron will no doubt be the best player on that team, but in terms of marketing in the Miami era, or even last second game winning shots LeBron is the second guy and thus will have trouble reaching elite status seemingly being considering by his direct peers as a follower.

If there's a last second shot needed for Miami(which there will never be, since most games will be blowouts) the ball will go into Wade's hands unless he is triple teamed. 1st option is always Wade, unless he decides to give up the ball. LeBron is 2nd on this team, this is Wade's team and all Miami fans know that. It's Wade's house, not LeBron's.

 

[Primetime]

Jesus Christ is a religious reference.

A better reference point would have been Michael Jordan, where this argument was concerned.

People are holding him to higher standards than Michael Jordan. That's why I used Jesus Christ. And just because the man is involved in religion doesn't automatically make it a religious reference. I can talk about Tiger Woods and it could have nothing to do with golf, nike, or his sexcapades.

 

[dave]

It's all just jealousy man. I'd be upset losing the best player in basketball too, but I'm not going to be a pussy about it and blame him for things he couldn't control. Sorry the Cavs have a shitty team, just be happy you were able to watch him for as long as you did.

How were the Cavs a shitty team?
They won 60 games two years in a row.
They did everything in their power to surround Queen James with the right pieces.
They brought in Shaq, they brought in Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison.
And every guy they brought in had to be approved by Queen James first.
He didn't leave Cleveland because they were a shitty team. He left Cleveland because he was tired of being the alpha dog in a mediocre market and wanted to escape the pressure.
Sadly, I think a lot of writers are right - he simply spent way too much time listening to his uneducated posse.
Queen James needed real representation and was sadly stuck with Turtle from Entourage. Hell, I think Turtle would be an improvement.

 

[Primetime]

If there's a last second shot needed for Miami(which there will never be, since most games will be blowouts) the ball will go into Wade's hands unless he is triple teamed. 1st option is always Wade, unless he decides to give up the ball. LeBron is 2nd on this team, this is Wade's team and all Miami fans know that. It's Wade's house, not LeBron's.

Let's be real here. LeBron will have the ball first...

































Then drive the lane and throw the dime, without looking, across the court, behind his back, while double teamed, between a defenders legs, to Wade for the money ball.

 

[Miami Flash15]

And if you think LeBron James is better than Dwyane Wade, you're wrong.

Wade's game is much better and different than LeBron. Wade is in the shadow's of Kobe and LeBron since his team these past years haven't matched theirs, he needs more of the spotlight.

Wade CARRIED the Heat in the '06 playoffs. Something LeBron hasn't been able to do in Cleveland. He may not be extremely better, but he does have a slight edge.

 

[Primetime]

How were the Cavs a shitty team?
They won 60 games two years in a row.
They did everything in their power to surround Queen James with the right pieces.
They brought in Shaq, they brought in Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison.
And every guy they brought in had to be approved by Queen James first.
He didn't leave Cleveland because they were a shitty team. He left Cleveland because he was tired of being the alpha dog in a mediocre market and wanted to escape the pressure.
Sadly, I think a lot of writers are right - he simply spent way too much time listening to his uneducated posse.
Queen James needed real representation and was sadly stuck with Turtle from Entourage. Hell, I think Turtle would be an improvement.

They were not a playoff team, that has been clear for several months. Shaq was not a big boost to their team, and neither was Jamison. Mo Williams was the most inconsistent player in the league the past few seasons. He was tired of being the alpha dog on a franchise that couldn't put a championship team together, so he went to a franchise that could...it's as simple as that. I'd do the damn thing if I wanted to win a championship so badly. He's still the best player on the court and there's no doubt about it.

 

[dave]

They were not a playoff team, that has been clear for several months. Shaq was not a big boost to their team, and neither was Jamison. Mo Williams was the most inconsistent player in the league the past few seasons. He was tired of being the alpha dog on a franchise that couldn't put a championship team together, so he went to a franchise that could...it's as simple as that. I'd do the damn thing if I wanted to win a championship so badly. He's still the best player on the court and there's no doubt about it.

But, again, he signed off on all those moves.
I absolutely agree Shaq wasn't a boost - he's 400 years old.
Jamison could have been, but needed more time with the team.
Queen James wanted Mo Williams.

IMO, if he stuck with Cleveland and used his influence - he could have attracted the right free agent.
Instead, he took the easy way out.

 

[Miami Flash15]

Patriots went undefeated during the regular season and lost the Super Bowl.

It isn't about the regular season, it's about the playoffs and the Cavs were clearly not a playoff team!

 

[dave]

Patriots went undefeated during the regular season and lost the Super Bowl.

It isn't about the regular season, it's about the playoffs and the Cavs were clearly not a playoff team!

I forgive you because you're a Heat fan (or just became one), so your arguments are pretty much fanboyesque.

 

[Primetime]

But, again, he signed off on all those moves.
I absolutely agree Shaq wasn't a boost - he's 400 years old.
Jamison could have been, but needed more time with the team.
Queen James wanted Mo Williams.

IMO, if he stuck with Cleveland and used his influence - he could have attracted the right free agent.
Instead, he took the easy way out.

You'd sign off on Shaq if your other offers were Dan Gadzuric, Darko Milicic, and Eddy Curry too.

 

[zack54attack]

And if you think LeBron James is better than Dwyane Wade, you're wrong.

Wade's game is much better and different than LeBron. Wade is in the shadow's of Kobe and LeBron since his team these past years haven't matched theirs, he needs more of the spotlight.

Wade CARRIED the Heat in the '06 playoffs. Something LeBron hasn't been able to do in Cleveland. He may not be extremely better, but he does have a slight edge.

No....your wrong.

 

[Miami Flash15]

I forgive you because you're a Heat fan (or just became one), so your arguments are pretty much fanboyesque.

I've always been a Heat fan, check the past boards.

And yeah, I may be a little bias on all my posts. You would be probably be too if you had Wade, Bosh, and LeBron ALL on your team. It's just unreal.

 

[Primetime]

I forgive you because you're a Heat fan (or just became one), so your arguments are pretty much fanboyesque.

I don't really have a lasting team in the NBA other than an appreciation for my home-town Bucks. I'm a player fan in the NBA and Wade and LeBron are two of my top 3.

 

[Miami Flash15]

No....your wrong.

Ring count?

 

[FirstTimer]

They were not a playoff team, that has been clear for several months. Shaq was not a big boost to their team, and neither was Jamison. Mo Williams was the most inconsistent player in the league the past few seasons. He was tired of being the alpha dog on a franchise that couldn't put a championship team together, so he went to a franchise that could...it's as simple as that. I'd do the damn thing if I wanted to win a championship so badly. He's still the best player on the court and there's no doubt about it.

Have James and his supporters ever considered that James was part of the problem as to why that wasn't a championship team? Instead of coming up with ways to mug for the camera maybe be a leader both on the floor and off. Like not zoning out in film study etc. Lebron has all the physical ability in the world but until he puts in the work on the mental side he will never reach his full potential