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LeBron to make announcement at start of show?

We often hear about fans being upset over players taking the money and not concerning themselves with winning, yet in LBJ we have clearly a superstar player who put winning over his own legacy and earnings. I still think LBJ will go down as the greatest SF ever and be among the top players ever, but this move obviously will taint him in some people’s eyes, which is too bad.

At the end of the day to be considered among the greats (MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Kobe, etc) LBJ needs multiple championships and I never saw that happening with the Cavs. One or even two championships wouldn’t have been enough and anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. LBJ’s presence along made a below average team a 60 win team. At least with this move he puts himself in position to win multiple titles as this will be the standard and expectation from within the organization.

Having said that I would have liked for him to go to Chicago, but I’m not sure players of LBJ or Wade’s caliber want to play under Jordan’s shadow, because whatever they do would never be enough.
 
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But multiple titles as a member of a trio consisting of three of the top 20 players in the league is not the best way to go down as the greatest of all time.
 
FedEx227 said:
But multiple titles as a member of a trio consisting of three of the top 20 players in the league is not the best way to go down as the greatest of all time.
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At the end of the day fans and the media are the one's separating those who allegedly single handedly win championships (which none ever have) versus winning championships on balanced team. Either way if LBJ finishes with 5 championships he'll more than likely do so while being a very important piece to the puzzle. It's not as if he's going to be Adam Morrison or even Robert Horry. LBJ isn't going to be riding anyone's coat tails or playing second fiddle. He's going to be extremelly import if not the most important piece. Yes, it has been Wade's team, but that is all going to change now.

When we think of Kobe we don't say he has 2 rings...we say he has 5. We don't look at Magic or Bird and discredit them for winning all of their championships with other HOF players. So, IMO it wouldn’t be fair to do that to LBJ.
 
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But if Kobe retired and never won a title as "the guy" his legend is not nearly what it is after these last two titles.

Don't forget... he had to get that monkey off his back. Those were largely considered Shaq's titles. To be in the argument for best ever Kobe needed these last two titles.
 
FedEx227 said:
But if Kobe retired and never won a title as "the guy" his legend is not nearly what it is after these last two titles.

Don't forget... he had to get that monkey off his back. Those were largely considered Shaq's titles. To be in the argument for best ever Kobe needed these last two titles.
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I don't think LBJ is concerned with being labeled the best ever. I think the guy just wants to win and collect championships, because that is why he plays the game. He has always maintained that he wanted to win and will put himself in position to do so.

At the end of the day he went to Miami, because he feels Miami is the best situation to win multiple championships. This is what he wants and he's obviously putting winning championships over pursuing his legacy as the GOAT, which he wouldn't even be in the discussion if he didn't have multiple (4-5) championships. Either way he's going to have the stats, big games performances and rings to be in the GOAT discussion. If people want to discredit him for playing with Wade and Bosh than so be it, but he'll still have his championship rings and it appears this is what will make him happy.
 
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FedEx227 said:
But if Kobe retired and never won a title as "the guy" his legend is not nearly what it is after these last two titles.

Don't forget... he had to get that monkey off his back. Those were largely considered Shaq's titles. To be in the argument for best ever Kobe needed these last two titles.
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I see what both of you are saying and see the points. What I think it comes down to is LeBron is happy with this move and helping make himself out to be one of the greatest ever rather than going after being the greatest ever.

Basically some 'ships with this team gets Lebron into the building, but not into the penthouse
 
Yeah, i don't hate him because of it, I'm disappointed.

I thought he could have been the best ever. If he doesn't want to be, then whatever. I'm done thinking he's attempting to reach that Mt. Rushmore. I'll still respect the hell out of his game, I'll still think he's the best athlete int he NBA but I'm pretty well off the best ever bandwagon.

He has all the opportunities, tools and chances to be cement himself as the greatest ever. If he doesn't want it, then that's fine, but he's an idiot for taking this route at age 25. This is something you do when you're 30 or when you're 32 and wanting to get your last ditch effort. This is not something you do as a dominant 25 year old at the peak/height of your career.

Maverick Carter and LeBron have really tremendously hurt the LeBron brand with all they've done and I don't forsee it ever reaching the global status that they truly want it to.
 
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Yeah, i don't hate him because of it, I'm disappointed.

I thought he could have been the best ever. If he doesn't want to be, then whatever. I'm done thinking he's attempting to reach that Mt. Rushmore. I'll still respect the hell out of his game, I'll still think he's the best athlete int he NBA but I'm pretty well off that bandwagon then.

He has all the opportunities, tools and chances to be cement himself as the greatest ever. If he doesn't want it, then that's fine, but he's an idiot for taking this route at age 25. This is something you do when you're 30 or when you're 32 and wanting to get your last ditch effort. This is nothing something you do as a dominant 25 year old.

Maverick Carter and LeBron have really tremendously hurt the LeBron brand with all they've done and I don't forsee it ever reaching the global status that they truly want it to.
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Fuck everything you just posted and slow down...

You're a Florida State fan?!?!?!?
 
You guys keep bringing up the Shaq/Kobe situation. What if Lebron averages 34-9-8 in the finals and is clearly the best player? Wouldn't he be Shaq?
 
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You guys keep bringing up the Shaq/Kobe situation. What if Lebron averages 34-9-8 in the finals and is clearly the best player? Wouldn't he be Shaq?
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It still lessens it in the mind of a lot of people. Perhaps if LeBron goes insane, hits all the game winners, possesses the ball on final possessions, nearly averages a triple-double yes. But I'd be more times than not the final possession will Wades.

It still however looks like he needs the support of two other great/top-tier players to get his title. Kobe grew into that role. Pippen grew into that role. LeBron is put himself in a trio/supporting cast situation. He's going to the team where the guy has already won a title and established himself, and he jumped on after the other two jumped in. It's a different story, IMO.
 
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LeBron just destroyed any chance of being compared to Jordan.

He's Scottie Pippen now.

I ain't even mad at him. It's whatever. But that doesn't make it any less of a bitch move. I was near Clyde Frazier when he announced his choice. Clyde's words were "He took the easy way out".

I wish him luck in Miami, though.

Also, those of you that trashed Stephen A. Smith (I'm lookin at you dave) should kiss his shoes. He nailed this 10 days ago. Even last week he was on the money when he said the only thing keeping the trio out of Miami was Bosh's unwillingness to take anything less than a max deal.

Guess that's not an issue anymore.

:bosh
 
A blind squirrel finds a nut. That's how I see it. Everyone was throwing everything out. Someone was bound to get something right if every different reporter had a different plan/scenario. I see what you mean though... of everyone to be right it just HAD to be Screamin' A.
 
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A blind squirrel finds a nut. That's how I see it. Everyone was throwing everything out. Someone was bound to get something right if every different reporter had a different plan/scenario. I see what you mean though... of everyone to be right it just HAD to be Screamin' A.
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In all fairness Smith wasn't "right"...his source was.

He even admitted as much today on the radio. He simply reported what his source told him. It's not like Smith came up with it himself.
 
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