Manny test positive, suspended 50 games

[PP]

It's just I never expected manny to get caught for this. But I suppose that's what I said when ARod was caught.

Arod was outed by a sleezy sportswriter. he is on a list with 100 other mlb guys which shouldnt have been released.

 

[EmpireWF]

TJ Quinn of ESPN says the drug was HCG, a known drug used by folks on steroids.

It's known to give its users bitch tits.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=14000

guess the sex-drive stuff was not accurate

 

[Blade]

That's something that I just don't get. These athletes basically have handlers who they could easily just send off to get the proper information. Why wouldn't he have the doctor or his agent talk to MLB directly and ask if the drug or something in it is on the banned list? I'm sure MLB would happily do it to avoid one of their marquee players being suspended. I just don't understand why they just take something because the doctor told them, especially in the current climate of MLB where a bad test can be so detrimental.

All of that of course is assuming the "doctor gave it to me" excuse is true.

Thats cuz they have an IQ equal to Slingblade's.

Its too bad hes out for 50 games, I am taking Pops to the Phillies/Dodgers game next Thursday in Philly, woulda been to watch him hit.

 

[Youk]

TJ Quinn of ESPN says the drug was HCG, a known drug used by folks on steroids.

It's known to give its users bitch tits.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=14000

guess the sex-drive stuff was not accurate

It makes sense. Honestly, at this point no one should be surprised by any names. All we can do is say "that's a shame", and boo the player. Sadly, we have no proof if someone like Manny was doing this his whole career. There could be the chance that he only started after the peak of his career. Hell, he could have been doing it the whole time. The shitty part is we won't know. It's the same with A-Rod, we will never know 100% if he was always on steroids, and longer than he said. The only way is if the players come out 100% and tell everything. That's why I like Canseco and take what he says with some credibility. The guy doesn't throw names around for no reason, and the dude came out 100% and told all about his steroid use.

The Messenger brought up names like Carl Everett and Trot Nixon before. Steroids aren't always going to make you a 50 HR player, so there are always going to be surprises. These guys aren't proven but no name should surprise. I've said before, F.P. Santangelo was busted, but he was no A-Rod.

 

[The Messenger]

Arod was outed by a sleezy sportswriter. he is on a list with 100 other mlb guys which shouldnt have been released.

It's been said Manny is on the list.

I don't see how Manny doesn't look like he uses steroids. He's built like a football player. Not as much as Mark McGuire, but he's no Dustin Pedroia.

 

[PNovak]

Just another reason why Griffey is the best baseball player of the last 20 years. If he is ever caught using, baseball should be shut down.

 

[The Messenger]

Anyone expecting more pitchers to start going down for PEDs?

I would hate to see Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, etc get their names tarnished after Clemens and Pettitte went down. 90's-early 2000's baseball would be shit without all off these guys.

 

[The Messenger]

Just another reason why Griffey is the best baseball player of the last 20 years. If he is ever caught using, baseball should be shut down.

Deion Sanders > Ken Griffey Jr

 

[Tailback U]

TJ Quinn of ESPN says the drug was HCG, a known drug used by folks on steroids.

It's known to give its users bitch tits.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=14000

guess the sex-drive stuff was not accurate

It is not known to give its users bitch tits, but gyno is a possible side effect although unlikely.

HCG is used by steroid users mid-cycle to restore their natural testosterone production. Basically, your balls stop working while on steroids because they don't need to do anything with the massive amounts of testosterone you are injecting into yourself. HCG is typically started mid steroid-cycle so that once you stop your last injection, your balls have already begun to produce natural testosterone so there is no crash or drop-off in your test levels.

It doesn't make sense why anybody not on steroids would take HCG because the performance enhancing properties of HCG alone are very minimal.

If Manny was having issues with his testosterone production, and it is not uncommon for some males to have below average natural testosterone levels, then HCG could be used to boost his test levels and libido up. But, I highly doubt that is the case with Manny (or any professional athlete for that matter).

Here is a detailed breakdown of the compound:

HCG -

Pharmaceutical Name: Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin
Effective dose: 1500-7500 IU every 5-6 days
Average Street-price: $4-6 per 5000 IU
Available Doses: 100,125,250,500, 1000, 1500,2000,2500,3000,5000,10000,20000 International Units


Characteristics:

Human chorionic gonadotrophin is a strange hormone. Its only found in the placenta of pregnant women. For women it has fairly little use if any however, but to the male athlete it has one interesting property. It can mimic the action of luteinizing hormone (LH) in the body. LH is a pituitary hormone that is released and signals the manufacture of testosterone in the testicles. The sex hormones in the body work via a negative feedback system, where too much sex hormone (like anabolic androgenic steroids and estrogens) causes a signal to the brain to stop the release of LH. During long duration cycles, if natural test stays suppressed for considerable time, a male user will begin to note an atrophy in his testicles, meaning they will visibly shrink purely out of disuse. By administering an LH-mimicking agent, one can bring back the function of the testicles and let them regain their size. This is the main use of HCG.

Since it forms testosterone in the body to some extent, it can impart certain performance enhancing properties, but usually these are not major. The side-effects accompanied with HCG use (usually androgenic such as extreme acne), its low rate of effect, the cost compared to more effective steroids and so on will mostly keep athletes from using it for that purpose. Moreover it can be tested for in athletic competitions, so most will stay clear of it. But to the steroid user HCG is an almost essential part of a cycle. Because of its effect on bringing testicle size back it can promote the return of natural testosterone, since the first natural signals can immediately deliver a higher yield of testosterone in the body. And getting natural testosterone back online after a cycle is crucial, especially if you intend to keep most of your hard-earned gains. Without adequate natural endocrine response you will not be able to maintain a mass that was higher than before.



The downside is that HCG too is suppressive of natural testosterone. Because it takes the place of LH. LH is not the first step in the chain of command, instead its manufactured in the pituitary under the response of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) which is secreted from the hypothalamus. And since an LH mimicking agent is supplied exogenously, the negative feedback signal to the hypothalamus will still tell it to stop making GnRH, and so no natural LH is produced. This is why the product is always used in conjunction with a potent estrogen receptor antagonist like clomid or Nolvadex. When the androgen level in the body has dropped, these antagonists will lower estrogenic response creating a steroid deficit that signals the Hypothalamus to start making GnRH. When it does, after HCG therapy, testicle size is up again and shortly thereafter natural testosterone manufacture should return to normal. But therefore its crucial that users note that though HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself.

Also important to take into account : using HCG for too long a period of time or in doses that are excessively high, can desensitize the testicles to the effect of LH and would put your right back where you started from. Basically that would mean you spent money to no avail. In terms of side-effects one should expect some androgenic signs such as acne and there is a risk for hair loss or prostate hypertrophy, but in most cases this compound will be used for 3-4 weeks, so these should not manifest themselves to any serious degree. There will also be some estrogen build-up, but since the user HAS to be on clomid or Nolvadex, this should not become apparent either. Next to this, HCG being a fertility drug, one should be aware that increased blood pressure and blood clotting can occur. HCG is clinically used to make women ovulate, or to invoke birth in pregnant women.

Stacking and Use:

You would normally opt to use HCG after you've done a long cycle, usually 8 weeks or more. Note that almost all proper cycles are 8 weeks or more in length, its just that some beginners have a phobia of needles and opt to waste their time with an all oral stack first, in which case the cycle wouldn't be longer than 6-7 weeks. In these cases too HCG can have a use, but most of the time testicular atrophy will not have progressed to such a stage that it is an absolute necessity. In any case, you should run it about 3 weeks, totaling about 4 shots. One every 5-6 days. Start off with one shot of 3000 IU somewhere in the last week of your stack, then another 3000 5 days later, then drop to 1500 5 days later and a last shot of 1500 6 days after that. Sometime after the second or third shot, therapy with Nolvadex or clomid should be commenced and continued for 4-5 weeks. How to do this, I refer you to the Nolva/clomid profile.

In any case, I'll repeat it again, since it is important. HCG IS and always will be an important part of post-cycle recovery, but it should never be run too long or at too high a dose and should always be accompanied by the use of either Clomid or Nolvadex. The use of Clomid or Nolvadex should also be continued at least 2 weeks after HCG is discontinued to avoid the HCG causing problems.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Its just Manny being Manny.

 

[jaggles82]

Deion Sanders > Ken Griffey Jr

I don't think so

 

[The Messenger]

I don't think so

I do....

 

[Bigpapa42]

There aren't many guys that could come up with an excuse like that without it sounding completely ludicrous. Manny is one of the only ones, just because he's Manny.

 

[stevsta]

soak all the doubt in boston
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090507&sportCat=mlb

 

[The Messenger]

At what? Self promotion?

At life.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

Anyone expecting more pitchers to start going down for PEDs?

I would hate to see Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, etc get their names tarnished after Clemens and Pettitte went down. 90's-early 2000's baseball would be shit without all off these guys.

not trying to bash you, but how could johnson have ever been on steroids or any performance enhancing drugs, dude looks like hes 90 pounds

 

[krulmichael]

Just another reason why Griffey is the best baseball player of the last 20 years. If he is ever caught using, baseball should be shut down.

I've been saying this since the whole A-Rod issue popped up. And I was talking to BUFF (VSN member, Yanks fan) earlier today bout this issue. If Griff Griff is on that "list" of players, then baseball is doomed as we know it.

Sidenizzle - Hopefully this will shut the media up for awhile bout A-Rod (even though he returns tomorrow, so thats doubtful).

 

[PNovak]

Deion Sanders > Ken Griffey Jr

Would you like to compare stats? In 20 years Deion won't even be remembered as a baseball player. Griffey will be a baseball legend when he hangs up the cleats.

 

[The Messenger]

Would you like to compare stats? In 20 years Deion won't even be remembered as a baseball player. Griffey will be a baseball legend when he hangs up the cleats.

Thanks for taking the post seriously.

not trying to bash you, but how could johnson have ever been on steroids or any performance enhancing drugs, dude looks like hes 90 pounds

He's like 6'10" so it's harder to put on weight. His arms probably weigh 30 pounds alone. jk but really I was just wondering if anyone thinks some of the bigger name pitchers will start going down?

 

[stevsta]

Instead of worrying about your obsession with hatred for Boston sports because they beat your teams in everything...why not worry about the team this ACTUALLY effects...you know...the dodgers jersey Manny won't be putting on for 50 games....yeah...that team.

I know hes gone for 50 theres nothing to do but look at the chances the dodgers young players have to mature and develop better hitting

and i cant help but put a quick down on boston sports if given the opportunity