Michael Mitchell... still laughing?

[Bmore]

Source for that? B/c what "my guy" told me directly contradicts that.

He did say it. They were quoting him Day-2 of the draft on NFL Network all day.

 

[Bmore]

lol

lol @ j00

 

[FirstTimer]

He did say it. They were quoting him Day-2 of the draft on NFL Network all day.

Odd. Directly goes against what my guy in the bears organization said was going on in the draft room.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Source for that? B/c what "my guy" told me directly contradicts that.

Supposedly, when the Raiders were on the clock, the Bears were on the phone with Mitchell telling him to "stand by" or some shit...

then the Raiders picked Mitchell...and hence the Bears traded down.

Mike Lombardi stated that on Sunday, but as the day goes on and Bears personnel were asked about it, they said they were considering him in the 4th or 5th round, not 2nd.

 

[Bmore]

Supposedly, when the Raiders were on the clock, the Bears were on the phone with Mitchell telling him to "stand by" or some shit...

then the Raiders picked Mitchell...and hence the Bears traded down.

Mike Lombardi stated that on Sunday, but as the day goes on and Bears personnel were asked about it, they said they were considering him in the 4th or 5th round, not 2nd.

Yea, if I were the bears i'd make up some shit to so I didn't look stupid like Oakland.

 

[FirstTimer]

Supposedly, when the Raiders were on the clock, the Bears were on the phone with Mitchell telling him to "stand by" or some shit...

then the Raiders picked Mitchell...and hence the Bears traded down.

Mike Lombardi stated that on Sunday, but as the day goes on and Bears personnel were asked about it, they said they were considering him in the 4th or 5th round, not 2nd.

The story I got and was being updated on as the draft went on was the Bears started looking to trade down as soon as Robiskie went off the board to Cleveland.

 

[Tailback U]

Source for that? B/c what "my guy" told me directly contradicts that.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/26/raiders-drafted-michael-mitchell-right-before-bears-would-have/

Everyone watching the NFL draft was shocked when the Oakland Raiders selected Ohio safety Michael Mitchell in the second round, a pick that prompted Mel Kiper, Mike Mayock and their ilk to bash the Raiders for wasting a pick on a player who would have been available later in the draft. But now there's talk that Mitchell wasn't going to be available much longer at all.

David Haugh of the Chicago Tribune reports that the Bears had already called Mitchell and told him they were planning to take him with their second-round pick. The Bears were picking 49th, and they ended up trading the pick when the Raiders selected Mitchell 47th.

So maybe Mitchell wasn't such a bad choice after all. As the video above shows, Mitchell is a hitter with good speed, and all the teams that worked him out seemed to come away very impressed. Will he turn into an NFL star? Who knows? But I don't think the Raiders made the big mistake that Kiper and Mayock suggest.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...-haugh-bears-nfl-draft-apr26,0,4716296.column

Chicago Bears leave themselves with holes to fill
Trade 2nd-round NFL draft choice for two more in lower rounds

David Haugh | On the Bears
April 26, 2009

Of all the names and numbers filling up the Bears draft board Saturday at Halas Hall you wondered initially if they forgot to post one important piece of information in the war room.

A depth chart.

After the first day of the NFL draft, gaping holes still exist at wide receiver and safety that the Bears opted not to address until Sunday when they complete rounds three through seven.

Jerry Angelo traded away the Bears' 49th pick in the second round to the Seattle Seahawks for the 68th overall pick in the third round and the 105th overall pick in the fourth round. Seattle used the pick to choose center Max Unger from Oregon.

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The Bears also won't be getting Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin in a trade despite Angelo spending the early part of the day exploring how he could swing a deal.

"We talked but it just didn't come together," Angelo said of trade discussions with the Cardinals. "I would assume it is [dead]. Obviously, if we weren't exploring that then we're not doing our due diligence."

The deal Angelo did pull off ultimately left the Bears with nine draft picks in '09, beginning with the fourth selection of the third round when the player auction resumes at 9 a.m.

Three wide receivers still available -- Juaquin Iglesias of Oklahoma, Louis Murphy of Florida and Kevin Ogletree of Virginia -- fit the profile the Bears seek and would seem to have enough value to justify being chosen at that spot. Safeties still on the board that might interest the Bears at either No. 68 or No. 99 include Chris Clemons of Clemson and David Bruton of Notre Dame.

The Bears scouting department takes pride in doing its best work on the second day of the draft, and Saturday's move leaves Angelo no choice.

"We understood when we made our trade for Jay [Cutler] that this was part of it," Angelo said.

It marked the first time since 1978 and only third time in team history that the Bears didn't make a pick in the first two rounds. A committed draftnik, Angelo almost looked disappointed when striding up to the podium to discuss his choice not to make a choice.

"In most drafts, that pick [at No. 49] is a double [and] we're not looking to hit a home run [so] it's not like we missed gold," he said.

If trading the 18th overall pick to Denver as part of Cutler trade didn't take away the draft-day drama for the Bears, the way the first round unfolded certainly did.

Six wide receivers went in the first 32 picks and the receiver the Bears had hoped would fall to No. 49, Brian Robiskie of Ohio State, went to the Browns at No. 36. At that point, Angelo told pro personnel director Bobby DePaul to get on the phone and see what teams were willing to offer.

At the beginning of the second round, the Bears told Ohio safety Michael Mitchell to stay by his phone because they planned to draft him at No. 49. But the Raiders beat them to it, taking Mitchell two spots earlier.

"When [the Bears] did that, I was like, 'I'm going to be a Chicago Bear,' " Mitchell told the Raiders media during a teleconference. "That's what I was thinking."

That's what the Bears were thinking, too, until Oakland raided their second-round cupboard.

"Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us and we weren't in a position that we were able to move up ¿ we just didn't have enough," Angelo said.

Georgia's Mohamed Massaquoi, a 6-foot-2-inch, 210-pound receiver whose history of dropped passes worried the Bears, was on the board when Angelo made the deal with Seattle. If Massaquoi goes on to a productive rookie season in Cleveland -- which chose him one pick later at No. 50 -- this move could be harder to forget.

"The key to drafting is filling your needs without leaving levels and we were going to be disciplined about that," Angelo said.

That essentially means not allowing positional needs to convince a GM to reach for a player who isn't good enough to be drafted in a certain round.

While the Bears stood pat, their NFC North rivals improved.

The Packers drafted run-stuffing nose tackle B.J. Raji and outside linebacker Clay Matthews to help their conversion to the 3-4 defense. The Lions took No. 1 overall pick quarterback Matthew Stafford and tight end Brandon Pettigrew, whom Angelo compared to former Giant Mark Bavaro. The Vikings gambled on character risk Percy Harvin at No. 22, a player Angelo said could develop into "the best playmaker in football," and added right tackle Phil Loadholt in the second round.

"Everybody in our division got better today," Angelo said. "We might not have gotten better today, but we got better a few weeks ago."

Indeed, trading for Cutler makes anything the Bears did Saturday -- or didn't do -- much easier to accept.

 

[Rayman]

His first 3 years in the league, Roy Williams was legitimately in the argument for best safety in the NFL.

Belichick put it best about him. He came around at a point where the game was evolving at the position and he suffered for it.

He'd have been at least as good as Ronnie Lott had he played in his era.

 

[vamprb]

You can't trust Jay Cutler. He's diabetic.

wow lol

 

[Liquidrob]

His first 3 years in the league, Roy Williams was legitimately in the argument for best safety in the NFL.

Belichick put it best about him. He came around at a point where the game was evolving at the position and he suffered for it.

He'd have been at least as good as Ronnie Lott had he played in his era.

no

he was in dallas and hit hard, thats it, lol @ ronnie lott, wow

 

[The Messenger]

no

he was in dallas and hit hard, thats it, lol @ ronnie lott, wow

Yeah, because there was no other hard hitting safeties in the NFL so everyone made Roy Williams look like an elite safety because it would entertain the fans...:shakehands:

 

[Liquidrob]

Yeah, because there was no other hard hitting safeties in the NFL so everyone made Roy Williams look like an elite safety because it would entertain the fans...:shakehands:

roy williams was never an elite safety, he was on dallas and had some nice hits

he was making pro bowls based off hype, just like vick and many other guys who should have never made the pro bowl

 

[Boss AZ]

If he can ball who cares where the "experts" think he should have went. We all know they're never wrong.

 

[The Messenger]

roy williams was never an elite safety, he was on dallas and had some nice hits

he was making pro bowls based off hype, just like vick and many other guys who should have never made the pro bowl

Give me proof where Roy Williams was overrated in his prime with the Cowboys. As was stated before, Roy Williams was a perfect fit for a particular system and in that system he thrived and did his job better than anyone else in the NFL could have or did at that time.

Too many people look at what he's done in recent years in a 3-4 defense when he was forced to try to be a coverage safety and label him as a failure. That isn't Roy Williams game. He's a guy who takes risks and when the Cowboys asked him to be a cover safety he gave up big plays. That was on the tail end of Roy's career. Please go back and re-watch all of his games from the early 2000's.

So really, you are the one who saw through everything Roy Williams did back then and knew he sucked? Give me a break.

Mike Vick's situation is different. Vick is an entertaining player who played the quarterback position and unorthodox way. He did win more often than not and carried his team to the playoffs a couple times, but he just wasn't a good quarterback.

I'd compare Vick to Reggie Bush before I compare him to Roy Williams.

 

[Liquidrob]

Give me proof where Roy Williams was overrated in his prime with the Cowboys. As was stated before, Roy Williams was a perfect fit for a particular system and in that system he thrived and did his job better than anyone else in the NFL could have or did at that time.

Too many people look at what he's done in recent years in a 3-4 defense when he was forced to try to be a coverage safety and label him as a failure. That isn't Roy Williams game. He's a guy who takes risks and when the Cowboys asked him to be a cover safety he gave up big plays. That was on the tail end of Roy's career. Please go back and re-watch all of his games from the early 2000's.

So really, you are the one who saw through everything Roy Williams did back then and knew he sucked? Give me a break.

Mike Vick's situation is different. Vick is an entertaining player who played the quarterback position and unorthodox way. He did win more often than not and carried his team to the playoffs a couple times, but he just wasn't a good quarterback.

I'd compare Vick to Reggie Bush before I compare him to Roy Williams.

oh yeah, the 'prime' roy williams, how could I forgot, what was that like 15 years ago? lol

so, the guy has been in the lg 7 years, he was a beast his first what, 2 or 3 years and now he lost all his skill the last 3 years? please

he was never rodney harrsion, john lynch, etc level even in his 'prime'...how dare they ask him to play some coverage, he was always a LB playing safety and was a liability in coverage

only people pumping up roy williams were cowboy fans and people who watch HL reels

 

[FirstTimer]

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/26/raiders-drafted-michael-mitchell-right-before-bears-would-have/



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...-haugh-bears-nfl-draft-apr26,0,4716296.column

Haugh makes no sense and contradicts himself in his own article. His information is incorrect.

According to Haugh the Bears contacted Mitchell at the start 2nd Round saying that he should be ready to get picked by the Bears at 49. Problem is Haugh OWN article contradicts this:

- He states that the Bears were hoping for Robiskie to fall to them at 49. So at the start of the 2nd Rd they planned on taking Robiskie, not Mitchell.

- He also states that as soon as Robiskie was off the board at #36 Angelo started looking to trade down. Why would he start looking to trade down 11 picks before Mitchell was taken if he planned on taking Mitchell at 49?

- Haugh then states, as part of this move down the Bears already had other safetys targeted. As already asked, why look to move down 11 picks before the guy you are "wanting to take" is still on the board and why have other safeties targeted already if you already planned on picking one up in Rd 4?

Haugh is a horrible writer, so I'm not surprised his info is so bad.

 

[Tailback U]

Haugh makes no sense and contradicts himself in his own article. His information is incorrect.

According to Haugh the Bears contacted Mitchell at the start 2nd Round saying that he should be ready to get picked by the Bears at 49. Problem is Haugh OWN article contradicts this:

- He states that the Bears were hoping for Robiskie to fall to them at 49. So at the start of the 2nd Rd they planned on taking Robiskie, not Mitchell.

- He also states that as soon as Robiskie was off the board at #36 Angelo started looking to trade down. Why would he start looking to trade down 11 picks before Mitchell was taken if he planned on taking Mitchell at 49?

- Haugh then states, as part of this move down the Bears already had other safetys targeted. As already asked, why look to move down 11 picks before the guy you are "wanting to take" is still on the board and why have other safeties targeted already if you already planned on picking one up in Rd 4?

Haugh is a horrible writer, so I'm not surprised his info is so bad.

I think what Haugh is trying to say is that the Bears started to look for offers once Robiskie was taken. They continued to look, but while contacting other teams, they were set on drafting Mitchell at 49 if they weren't able to deal the pick.

But yea, the article is poorly written.

 

[FirstTimer]

I think what Haugh is trying to say is that the Bears started to look for offers once Robiskie was taken. They continued to look, but while contacting other teams, they were set on drafting Mitchell at 49 if they weren't able to deal the pick.

But yea, the article is poorly written.

Still doesn't make any sense. The timeline is all out of whack. Why would they call Mitchell at the start of the 2nd Rd and tell him he was going to be taken at #49 by them if Robiskie was still on the board and that's who the Bears wanted?

Added to that why would the Bears, who already told Mitchell they were going to take him at #49, look to be trading out of that pick 11 picks prior to Mitchell going off the board if they had already called and told him they were going to take him at 49?

There are so many holes in Haughs article from a logical/factual standpoint that it can't even be taken seriously. Which is par for the course with his writings.

I mean Haugh is the writer who was just bashing the Bears for trading for Jay Cutler and saying it made the team worse. If that wasn't a dumb enough stand on his part, merely 2 weeks later when he released his predictions for the upcoming season he picked the Bears to win more games this year then they did last season..... WTF? So the Jay Cutler trade made the team worse...yet they will be better?

 

[Tailback U]

Still doesn't make any sense. The timeline is all out of whack. Why would they call Mitchell at the start of the 2nd Rd and tell him he was going to be taken at #49 by them if Robiskie was still on the board and that's who the Bears wanted?

Added to that why would the Bears, who already told Mitchell they were going to take him at #49, look to be trading out of that pick 11 picks prior to Mitchell going off the board if they had already called and told him they were going to take him at 49?

Where did it say they called Mitchell at the start of the 2nd round before Robiskie was even taken?

I think they called Mitchell after Robiskie was taken. But even after calling Mitchell, they were still looking to deal the pick just in case Mitchell was taken before their turn and it is always smart to have other options. Every team is always on the phones throughout the draft.

The Bears had Mitchell targeted at 49 if they weren't able to trade the pick. Just because the Bears told Mitchell they were going to take him at 49 does not mean that they weren't still trying to trade down. I think the plan was to take Mitchell at 49 if they were stuck with the pick but try to trade down until then.

Just trying to make sense of this, don't see why Mitchell would just blatantly make this up. Despite the author's inconsistencies and contradictions, the fact of the matter is that Michael Mitchell is the one who said the Bears told him they would take him at 49, not the author.

 

[FirstTimer]

Where did it say they called Mitchell at the start of the 2nd round before Robiskie was even taken?

Right here:

At the beginning of the second round, the Bears told Ohio safety Michael Mitchell to stay by his phone because they planned to draft him at No. 49.

Silly me for thinking "at the beginning" means the start.

I think they called Mitchell after Robiskie was taken.

You think? Proof? Because that's not what Haugh says.

But even after calling Mitchell, they were still looking to deal the pick just in case Mitchell was taken before their turn and it is always smart to have other options.

That's not what your source says. It says they started trying to deal the pick right after Robiskie was drafted. If they liked Mitchell well enough to call him 17 picks ahead of where the Bears were drafting they would not be actively trying to trade out of the round.

The Bears had Mitchell targeted at 49 if they weren't able to trade the pick.

Actually they had Robsikie targeted there. They had Mitchell targeted in Rd 4 and later.

Just trying to make sense of this, don't see why Mitchell would just blatantly make this up.

Maybe because he was mistaken and the Bears meant for him to be ready later in the day. Not at 49. Not one person I have talked to said the Bears had him on their radar in the 2nd Round as a pick. Once Robiskie was off the board all the guys they had targeted they felt they could get in the 3rd round and later so they started to look to trade down right away. Mitchell was NEVER the plan at 49.

Despite the author's inconsistencies and contradictions, the fact of the matter is that Michael Mitchell is the one who said the Bears told him they would take him at 49, not the author.

Then Mitchell is sorely mistaken. Mitchell would have been lucky to be picked by the team in the 4th Rd, let alone the 2nd.