MMA Thread

[Warner2BruceTD]

Shields' shit couldn't draw flies. If I was Frank, i'd never take that fight.

I'd fight Smith if I was Frank. All the reasons rob mentioned, plus it's a very winnable fight.

 

[Liquidrob]

Shields' shit couldn't draw flies. If I was Frank, i'd never take that fight.

I'd fight Smith if I was Frank. All the reasons rob mentioned, plus it's a very winnable fight.

yeap, if he ends up fighting Smith, it was my idea, lol

He wont fight Jake, he probably will get held down for 3 rounds and it does nothing for him, he needs a win or at least a fight that is an exciting match up

I think this is his last fight on his current contract

 

[RosettaStoned]

Great, we get to see Frank get his ass kicked again either way.

 

[EmpireWF]

Michelle Waterson + bunk beds = me +

 

[Liquidrob]

Looks like Strikeforce is close to signing Rogers vs Overeem for the HW title on Showtime for August 15th

So far it looks like this

Carano vs Cyborg
Thompson vs Melendez for the LW title
Overeem vs Rogers for the HW title

This card is stacked

 

[EmpireWF]

After 8/15, how many huge fights do they have left?

 

[Liquidrob]

After 8/15, how many huge fights do they have left?

as many as they want to make, Affliction is almost done after August 1st more than likely, Scott Coker has a great relantionship with afflitcion, dream, etc...

vitor, babulu, maybe tito, who knows, I think they will go after Fedor if this PPV makes any money

Nick Diaz vs anyone, Jake is getting there, still could have a Lawler fight with either of them

Still have Frank in San Jose, Cung Le when he is done making movies and like W2B said, you make stars, they have Showtime and CBS, there will always be fights to be made

 

[EmpireWF]

We'll see about CBS. If they were going to them, 8/15 would be the show to air with them.

I've always heard CBS was PISSED about being held up for money with the last EXC show and have no itch to get back into MMA. Of course everyone read about Strikeforce having some sort of deal with them, but apparently nothing set in concrete.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Affliction/Fedor will draw 100k buys again, just like the first two shows, lose a couple more million, and join EliteXC & IFL in MMA heaven. The same 100k will buy the show, but they won't draw anyone new because they don't have tv (a few thousand people watching Showtime won't make a real difference).

When that happens, Strikeforce can cherry pick marketable fighters looking for work. Not sure I would pay Fedor if I was Coker, it's hard to turn a profit with what he commands, unless your Zuffa.

 

[Liquidrob]

Affliction/Fedor will draw 100k buys again, just like the first two shows, lose a couple more million, and join EliteXC & IFL in MMA heaven. The same 100k will buy the show, but they won't draw anyone new because they don't have tv (a few thousand people watching Showtime won't make a real difference).

When that happens, Strikeforce can cherry pick marketable fighters looking for work. Not sure I would pay Fedor if I was Coker, it's hard to turn a profit with what he commands, unless your Zuffa.

Well, the thing with Fedor and Affliction is they are not just paying him, they have overapaid Tim, AA and now Barnett, throw in Linland, Little Nog, Whitehead, etc...who they paid a crapload to there was no way they make money and they didnt even have to pay all those guys that much IMO

Look at Striekforce, they paid Frank 360k for his last fight, the next highest guy on the card was about 40k, Frank brought in the fans, so Frank go the big money

If they can let Fedor keep doing Sambo, fighting a giant in Japan or whatever and pay him what he is worth him drawing 100k or more should be worth it

The thing is, no one knows what Fedor makes because its all under the table or some other means, who knows what he really gets, I'm sure its a lot, but if you just pay him and can get that 100k+ PPVs it would be worth it

Also, maybe they can work out some stuff with Affliction, I think they will just go back to sponsering and let Strikeforce handle all the match making and money

 

[Liquidrob]

W2B, you probably know more about this than me, but how does the PPV buys break down money wise?

You get 100k buys, at say $45 a pop, thats $4,500,000, so 4.5 million

How much do they pay the back to the cable company or other fees, etc...? I'm sure certain certain compants have diifferedt arrangements, but in general

 

[Liquidrob]

what the hell is Brock talking about? lol

http://www.maxim.com/sports/articles/79275/brock-lesnar-.html?p=2

"He talks quickly and emphatically. “I bet you I’ve taken over 60 steroid tests. In college I had 15 random drug tests in two years. I’ve taken drug tests for the NFL, the WWE, the UFC. I must be pretty good at masking steroids. God gave me this body: Are you jealous of it or what? Give me a break. I got the genetics of—not to get into racism or anything—but I’m built like a black man. Would you say so?”"

 

[EmpireWF]

lmao brock is a crazy mfer

Wonder if he ever really was drug tested by WWE since their current system was not enacted until 2006.

 

[Liquidrob]

lmao brock is a crazy mfer

Wonder if he ever really was drug tested by WWE since their current system was not enacted until 2006.

yeah, I would like to know what a WWE drug test was like

maybe it was a written test?

1. Do you take steriods? Yes on No

2. If you answered No, please go to the ring

3. If you answered Yes? Please answer number 1 again

 

[EmpireWF]

I'm torn on Brock...the dude is jacked but he's one of those monster farm boy guys. I think it's likely he sampled steroids/gh at some point in his adult life but he's clean these days.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

W2B, you probably know more about this than me, but how does the PPV buys break down money wise?

You get 100k buys, at say $45 a pop, thats $4,500,000, so 4.5 million

How much do they pay the back to the cable company or other fees, etc...? I'm sure certain certain compants have diifferedt arrangements, but in general

It's complicated.

Different cable/satellite companies have different deals with promoters, but in general, the promoter gets roughly 40%-50% of the gross. Other people get their hands in the jar also, like distributers, etc.

I'll research the actualy figures when I get a chance, but I know i'm in the ballpark.

sidenote-actual buyrates are almost never released. It's always estimates. Never trust an estimate from a promoter, obviously. The estimates are based on information cable & sat companies choose to provide, so often times you get sketchy numbers because not all the companies release figures. The actual numbers trickle in slowly, and you can't really get an accurate count until sometimes a year after the event.

 

[Liquidrob]

I'm torn on Brock...the dude is jacked but he's one of those monster farm boy guys. I think it's likely he sampled steroids/gh at some point in his adult life but he's clean these days.

I think he is/was been on something, I think the majority of guys are, I dont even think 'The Natural' Randy Couture is clean, do you really believe a guy past 45 years old is in the best shape of his life and doing the things he did without some help? It just doesnt add up

Its just who doesnt get caught in my mind and I really dont care anymore who does what

 

[Liquidrob]

It's complicated.

Different cable/satellite companies have different deals with promoters, but in general, the promoter gets roughly 40%-50% of the gross. Other people get their hands in the jar also, like distributers, etc.

I'll research the actualy figures when I get a chance, but I know i'm in the ballpark.

sidenote-actual buyrates are almost never released. It's always estimates. Never trust an estimate from a promoter, obviously. The estimates are based on information cable & sat companies choose to provide, so often times you get sketchy numbers because not all the companies release figures. The actual numbers trickle in slowly, and you can't really get an accurate count until sometimes a year after the event.

yeah, thats what I always heard, like you said, around the 40/50% range

if you were going buy that, I would think you can make money off Fedor with 100k buys as long as you dont pay the other guys these outragous amounts of money

but who is going to fight Fedor for cheap? thats the tough part

 

[RosettaStoned]

Lmao, Brock is such a meathead.

 

[Steel Mamba]

1 I don't know why people care so much who's taking what

2 It's silly to assume that anyone big or freakishly athletic must have been on something.