NBA Rumors Thread

[EmpireWF]

Bibby expected to sign a 1-year deal with the Knicks :facepalm: but they are pushing to bring in JJ Barea.

 

[s@ppisgod]

As much as I agree with the fact that it sucks, how is it different than any other sport? The NBA's issue is their salary cap isn't a real salary cap, it's almost as though it doesn't exist.

At least the players are honest and let NBA teams know that they won't re-sign with them, unlike other sports where a guy like Beltran can be traded and then walk. NFL is really the only sport with a good model, and baseball is just as bad as the NBA.

At least in baseball, teams get compensation picks. NBA needs to start allowing compensation picks for when teams lose tier 1 stars. This way, a team can feel okay with letting a player go to free agency as they'll get compensated for it. Then, all the big teams wouldn't be able to sign these free agents unless they offered an MLE, which no star would ever take.

The NBA is an example of a poor financial system made even worse by too much expansion. If there were only 20-24 teams I doubt we'd be having a lot of the same issues.

The problem with that is the NBA draft is stupid, gay, and dumb. There's like 20 worthwhile prospects, 8 or 9 of whom will turn out to be decent players. You can't give them comp picks in the middle of round 1, where they need to have a good shot to make a difference, because you can't just bypass whole franchises for one. Best case scenario, you give them a pick after pick 30. Then, they're choosing from a group (31-40 ish) who produces about 60% guys who are out of the league in 5 years and about 20% guys who are just warm bodies like Ronny Turiaf. In the NFL, drafts are deep with valuable guys in round 3 and 4. In the MLB, the top guys have elite potential, but there's value afterward. In the NBA, it's like a lottery ticket after pick 25. Could hit the jackpot, but chances are it's not worth anything. Besides, every other pick ends up getting traded around like a damn Christmas game with presents that aren't worth anything to begin with.

The NBA is just a messed up situation all around. The players dictate it WAY too much. And now that this "super teams" idea is out there, I have great confidence that 80% of elite NBA players are going to follow suit because the NBA is like a league for little kids just getting their way 24/7. Watch Paul get traded after not reporting and threatening to sue. Why? Because he's REALLY good, and he wants to play for the Lakers.

A couple years ago there was that show on MTV about girls throwing sweet sixteen parties with frivolous amounts of their parents money. It's crazy how much the NBA is like a Dad to the top players' spoiled rotten daughter. Chris Paul was just innocently trying to leverage his way out of New Orleans a year early because he wants to be on one of these super-hyped teams, and these idiot owners want to veto it because it's not good for the product or like over half the league or something. Papa Stern, do something about this.

 

[GangstaE]

JJ barea would fit the Knicks perfectly, I want him as our point guard now that Paul is out of the question

 

[Rayman]

JJ barea would fit the Knicks perfectly, I want him as our point guard now that Paul is out of the question

Part time player at best. Still a better option than Mike Bibby who at 33 years of age is for all intents and purposes finished.

Ray Felton sure seems good right about now. :yao:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The problem with that is the NBA draft is stupid, gay, and dumb. There's like 20 worthwhile prospects, 8 or 9 of whom will turn out to be decent players. You can't give them comp picks in the middle of round 1, where they need to have a good shot to make a difference, because you can't just bypass whole franchises for one. Best case scenario, you give them a pick after pick 30. Then, they're choosing from a group (31-40 ish) who produces about 60% guys who are out of the league in 5 years and about 20% guys who are just warm bodies like Ronny Turiaf. In the NFL, drafts are deep with valuable guys in round 3 and 4. In the MLB, the top guys have elite potential, but there's value afterward. In the NBA, it's like a lottery ticket after pick 25. Could hit the jackpot, but chances are it's not worth anything. Besides, every other pick ends up getting traded around like a damn Christmas game with presents that aren't worth anything to begin with.

The NBA is just a messed up situation all around. The players dictate it WAY too much. And now that this "super teams" idea is out there, I have great confidence that 80% of elite NBA players are going to follow suit because the NBA is like a league for little kids just getting their way 24/7. Watch Paul get traded after not reporting and threatening to sue. Why? Because he's REALLY good, and he wants to play for the Lakers.

A couple years ago there was that show on MTV about girls throwing sweet sixteen parties with frivolous amounts of their parents money. It's crazy how much the NBA is like a Dad to the top players' spoiled rotten daughter. Chris Paul was just innocently trying to leverage his way out of New Orleans a year early because he wants to be on one of these super-hyped teams, and these idiot owners want to veto it because it's not good for the product or like over half the league or something. Papa Stern, do something about this.

The lockout changed nothing. The players still call all of the shots, and largely dictate where they will play. It will never change until there is a hard cap, and real, damaging compensation to teams signing big FA's.

20+ teams will still never win, and thus continue losing money. The owners won the fights, but it appears they picked the wrong ones. They won short sighted stuff like the BRI split, etc, but this new deal does nothing to fix the large market/small market/power team issues.

There is still no reason for a Bucks or Kings fan to buy a season ticket, unless they luck out in a lottery. Even then, the player will bolt to whatever team he feels like for pennies on the dollar. Awesome league.

 

[GangstaE]

Part time player at best. Still a better option than Mike Bibby who at 33 years of age is for all intents and purposes finished.

Ray Felton sure seems good right about now. :yao:

Yes a good complimentary player but in this system he will flourish. He has terrific speed, runs the pick and roll extremely well and actually plays some defense. His shot is decent and we wouldn't need him to do much scoring on the first unit. The second unit could then be on Douglas.

 

[EmpireWF]

Marc Stein (ESPN) reports the Warriors will sign C DeAndre Jordan to a 4-year, $40 mil offer sheet tomorrow.

 

[Obst]

The lockout changed nothing. The players still call all of the shots, and largely dictate where they will play. It will never change until there is a hard cap, and real, damaging compensation to teams signing big FA's.

20+ teams will still never win, and thus continue losing money. The owners won the fights, but it appears they picked the wrong ones. They won short sighted stuff like the BRI split, etc, but this new deal does nothing to fix the large market/small market/power team issues.

There is still no reason for a Bucks or Kings fan to buy a season ticket, unless they luck out in a lottery. Even then, the player will bolt to whatever team he feels like for pennies on the dollar. Awesome league.

Seriously isn't that sad? I feel myself almost hoping players on my team don't become superstars because then they will bolt to play with other ones for a bigger team. It's just sad that a league has only maybe 6 good teams who can compete and then the others are praying they get the first pick in the draft.

 

[EmpireWF]

Lakers are done trying to get Paul.

They are trading Odom to Dallas for draft considerations.

LA is going after Howard now.

 

[Rayman]

:bowrofl:

@BryanBroaddus: Sad to see that Odom will sit those first five games of the start of the season for a foul he committed against his new teammates.

 

[dave]

The lockout changed nothing. The players still call all of the shots, and largely dictate where they will play. It will never change until there is a hard cap, and real, damaging compensation to teams signing big FA's.

20+ teams will still never win, and thus continue losing money. The owners won the fights, but it appears they picked the wrong ones. They won short sighted stuff like the BRI split, etc, but this new deal does nothing to fix the large market/small market/power team issues.

There is still no reason for a Bucks or Kings fan to buy a season ticket, unless they luck out in a lottery. Even then, the player will bolt to whatever team he feels like for pennies on the dollar. Awesome league.

Agree completely.

Like Dan Gilbert said - the league now has 5 or 6 elite markets and the rest of the teams are the Washington Generals.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I had hope the league would improve after the new CBA, and was ready to go all in on NBA again, but it's the same old shit.

Back to barely keeping one eye on it.

 

[EmpireWF]

" Magic are shopping Dwight Howard beyond just the teams of his choice"

 

[dave]

" Magic are shopping Dwight Howard beyond just the teams of his choice"

Which means nothing. Any team off his wishlist is just renting him.

 

[EmpireWF]

Which means nothing. Any team off his wishlist is just renting him.

Depends on the team.

The Bulls may be able to put a package together, but can they afford to offer him a big deal next year? Probably not.

 

[TheImmortalGoud]

Depends on the team.

The Bulls may be able to put a package together, but can they afford to offer him a big deal next year? Probably not.

The team that trades for him can offer more money than anyone else. Regardless of the cap situation.

 

[dave]

Depends on the team.

The Bulls may be able to put a package together, but can they afford to offer him a big deal next year? Probably not.

I don't have my ESPN NBA trade machine on, but the Bulls could easily offer Noah and Deng for Howard and keep Howard permanently (or permointently as Mickey used to pronounce it).
Frankly, I think that's a deal that's good for both sides. But, again, I don't have the NBA trade machine thing on ... and am not sure if it's doable.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

To the guys hating on the NBA: The "super teams" generate fan interest. Last season NBA ratings went sky high due to Lebron James & Chris Bosh signing with Miami. The Micheal Jordan era made the league extremely popular, even though it was just the Bulls dominating everyone else. Elite teams are what generate the most ratings & interest. The NBA would never work with the NFL parity model.

 

[EmpireWF]

Kurt Thomas expected to go to Portland on a 2-year deal.

And the Knicks are talking about getting back Crawford, from Marc Berman of the Post.

The Knicks, Hawks and Warriors were in talks Sunday on a three-team sign-and-trade deal with Atlanta and Golden State that would bring combo guard Jamal Crawford back to the club, according to an NBA source.

Although a source thought it had a better than 50-50 chance of happening, one person familiar with the Knicks thinking said they will not include guard Toney Douglas, a native of Atlanta, in a Crawford package, which would seem to lower the chances of this going down.

Crawford is one of the top free agents available but the market hasn't been strong for him. The Knicks have offered Crawford their $2.5 million mini exception which he has rejected. Crawford prefers a sign-and-trade so he can make upwards of $5 million per season.

Agent Andy Miller told the Indy Star Crawford is still considering the Pacers.

One person familiar with the Knicks thinking said Douglas is the club's starting point guard and they don't want to give him up in this scenario for Crawford. It is possible the Knicks are also being used to drive Crawford's market value up elsewhere.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knick...to_bring_X88nsR7szxSK1IbIoh87LN#ixzz1gFkHQjKt

 

[NAHSTE]

Getting anything back for an unrestricted FA is a good move. Like the sound of working out a sign and trade.