(NEW) Aggie rumors of going to the SEC

[ryne candy]

I don't see why Mizzou wouldn't leave to the SEC. If the SEC would have them, what better choice do they have. Some believe Texas wouldn't leave to become independent but if they do...Mizzou will be looking for a home and not sure if the Big 10 would take them.

 

[ryne candy]

Just got this in a text:

It's being reported on Soonerscoop.com that Texas has hired Hilco (run by Baylor trustee Buddy Jones) to lobby against A&M's move to the SEC. In addition, they are reporting that this is why A&M moved up the BOR meeting to Monday so that they could get ahead of this deal.

 

[NAHSTE]

Fight it Texas, fight it! Emmert should step in immediately and cap conference size at 12.

And then hire FirstTimer and I to run the realignment committee.

 

[1ke]

Soooo, since A&M are gone. The SEC are going to raid the ACC, who will then raid the Big East, who will then raid whats leftover from the Conference USA. Right?

My head is spinning trying to figure this shit out.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Houston and SMU to the Big XII?

Baylor would go apeshit is Houston got in. The bigwigs at Baylor have a huge beef with Houston, but I don't remember why.

And I think SMU is unofficially blacklisted by the rest of the Big XIII/X/VIII thanks to the death sentance and the ripple effect it had.

 

[1ke]

Houston and SMU to the Big XII?

Baylor would go apeshit is Houston got in. The bigwigs at Baylor have a huge beef with Houston, but I don't remember why.

And I think SMU is unofficially blacklisted by the rest of the Big XIII/X/VIII thanks to the death sentance and the ripple effect it had.

If thats the case, why wouldnt the Mountain West get involved. Especially for those 2 schools. Im convinceed that TCU will end up in the Big 12 because the Big East will be no more after all this shit goes down.

 

[ryne candy]

Baylor would go apeshit is Houston got in. The bigwigs at Baylor have a huge beef with Houston, but I don't remember why.

And I think SMU is unofficially blacklisted by the rest of the Big XIII/X/VIII thanks to the death sentance and the ripple effect it had.

Actually Hou hates Baylor. Houston was considered for the Big XII but the governor at the time, Ann Richardson (Baylor Alum) made the Big XII take Baylor.

Just saw this on Twitter:

 

[BrntO4Life]

Not sure why ESPN is reporting all of this, considering no votes have actually gone down.

A&M votes on Monday. They will certainly vote to leave the Big 12.

The HUGE caveat here is the SEC vote and ESPN's effect on it. If ESPN tells the SEC, "We're not going to give you more money for more teams", you better believe most of the schools in the SEC will reject A&M. ESPN has a lot of reasons for doing this, chiefly among them their network contract with Texas.

Also, Texas state legislation had a big part in last year's conference talks. Those in command of this situation run as follows: 1 Baylor alum, 1 Tech alum, 4 Texas alum. A&M bumped up their meeting at the last minute to get a day ahead of this committee, but it won't really matter in the long run should the committee decide to block them.

If the SEC actually votes not to let A&M in, you better believe it's going to be a very uncomfortable living situation in the next few years in the Big 12.

It's going to be a very interesting week.

 

[FirstTimer]

I really don't get why A&M would want to leave the BigXII

 

[1ke]

More reason for the Booyas to burn in hell.

 

[FirstTimer]

Fight it Texas, fight it! Emmert should step in immediately and cap conference size at 12.

And then hire FirstTimer and I to run the realignment committee.

:yeah:

:fuckyeah:

 

[BrntO4Life]

I really don't get why A&M would want to leave the BigXII

To get it, you would have to be an Aggie. It all comes down to Texas and "Little Brother Syndrome".

They want to pave their own way. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing, but I think what they want to do is a death knell to becoming a national power.

As of right now, A&M views themselves as a little brother that will never get out from under the shadow of big brother, Texas. I imagine it's incredibly annoying, but is it really better to go to the SEC and become the bottom boy in a prison gangrape?

 

[FirstTimer]

Yeah that's what I don't get. What does A&M think they will actually accomplish in the SEC?

 

[ryne candy]

To get it, you would have to be an Aggie. It all comes down to Texas and "Little Brother Syndrome".

They want to pave their own way. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing, but I think what they want to do is a death knell to becoming a national power.

As of right now, A&M views themselves as a little brother that will never get out from under the shadow of big brother, Texas. I imagine it's incredibly annoying, but is it really better to go to the SEC and become the bottom boy in a prison gangrape?

and if the reports are true that is how the SEC doesn't look like they are making the Aggies come to the SEC. Reports are saying it's a 30-40% chance they vote against...so that still means 60-70% they will vote yes. Everyone knows the Aggies want out and the SEC doesn't need us to become great. The state legislature can't stop us from moving but we could possibly get less money....really depends on how much less and if A&M is willing to take less just to get away from Texas. Texas would have to become Independent or lose their network (no conference is going to let them come in w/ a network).

 

[BrntO4Life]

Yeah that's what I don't get. What does A&M think they will actually accomplish in the SEC?

The Aggie assumption is that the SEC will be:

1. Much "fairer" to them regarding TV network deals and compensation.

- This fact is incredibly ironic and hypocritical because, as it stands, A&M (along with Texas and Oklahoma) get $20 million apiece in the current B12 TV contract while the rest of the league gets ~$12-14 million. Last year, A&M threatened to go to the SEC unless they were given a larger piece of the pie. In Aggie lexicon, "fair" only applies to them.

2. A boon to recruiting.

It's true. Playing in the SEC creates a much more desirable schedule that recruits will love. But do you think that A&M is going to win head-to-head recruiting battles against LSU, Alabama and Auburn in Texas once they start getting pounded yearly? And is A&M going to revert to the Sherrill days and start getting their hands wet in the recruiting business? If they don't, they'll fall behind VERY quickly.

Also, combine this with the likelihood of Texas going Independent (somehow, ND can still recruit very well) and OU moving into another big conference. A&M will still come in second regarding in-state recruiting, and I think the gap would widen.

3. A much better cultural fit.

I can't argue here. Fly your overalls proudly in the SEC, Aggie. I'm just curious as to what happens to their fight song once Texas and A&M aren't playing anymore.

 

[BrntO4Life]

and if the reports are true that is how the SEC doesn't look like they are making the Aggies come to the SEC. Reports are saying it's a 30-40% chance they vote against...so that still means 60-70% they will vote yes.[/qupte]

It's 30-40% at this moment in time. It's not about A&M taking less money, it's about the other schools in the SEC and whether or not they're willing to take a smaller piece of the TV deal to let A&M and [insert school here] in. This is, of course, if ESPN refuses to re-negotiate for a higher deal (which I think they will, considering their interests in the LHN).

I'm willing to bet schools like Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, and UK wouldn't like the idea of taking less money just to allow more teams into their precious circle. Possibly South Carolina and Arkansas, as well. That's half your conference right there. If they all vote no, A&M doesn't get in.

Everyone knows the Aggies want out and the SEC doesn't need us to become great.

This says it all. The SEC is already "great", anyways.

The state legislature can't stop us from moving but we could possibly get less money....really depends on how much less and if A&M is willing to take less just to get away from Texas.

The Texas Lege is notorious for playing dirty in situations like these (see Big 12 formation, last year's debacle). Not only will A&M have to buy their way out the B12, but they could potentially suffer huge losses on the public funding side. A cutback on their public funds would be a huge deal. They already only take 1/3 of the Permanent University Fund anyways (Texas gets 2/3s).

Also, is A&M's athletic department still in the red? If so, how do they buy their way out? Boosters would be the only way, but it's going to be a nice chunk of change.

Texas would have to become Independent or lose their network (no conference is going to let them come in w/ a network).

Then Texas will go Independent. Big deal.

 

[ryne candy]

The Aggie assumption is that the SEC will be:

1. Much "fairer" to them regarding TV network deals and compensation.

- This fact is incredibly ironic and hypocritical because, as it stands, A&M (along with Texas and Oklahoma) get $20 million apiece in the current B12 TV contract while the rest of the league gets ~$12-14 million. Last year, A&M threatened to go to the SEC unless they were given a larger piece of the pie. In Aggie lexicon, "fair" only applies to them.

2. A boon to recruiting.

It's true. Playing in the SEC creates a much more desirable schedule that recruits will love. But do you think that A&M is going to win head-to-head recruiting battles against LSU, Alabama and Auburn in Texas once they start getting pounded yearly? And is A&M going to revert to the Sherrill days and start getting their hands wet in the recruiting business? If they don't, they'll fall behind VERY quickly.

Also, combine this with the likelihood of Texas going Independent (somehow, ND can still recruit very well) and OU moving into another big conference. A&M will still come in second regarding in-state recruiting, and I think the gap would widen.

3. A much better cultural fit.

I can't argue here. Fly your overalls proudly in the SEC, Aggie. I'm just curious as to what happens to their fight song once Texas and A&M aren't playing anymore.

Have to disagree with gap widening. We would have a recruiting chip Texas doesn't....play SEC teams every week close to home and have family watch them (you tell them "play the best to become the best and get into NFL"). Instead of driving 5+ hrs from Houston to Baton Rouge, they can travel within State. Being the only SEC school in Texas will rub recruits the right way. I know this is focusing on FB but Texas would suffer by being indep taking into account all other sports.

I don't think a school should not go because of the competition. Auburn and Bama had awful years (even Texas), yet they found the right coaches and got the right system to become competitive. The Big XII isn't going to last much longer, so we have been given a 2nd chance to join the best conference...we have to take it. If we don't go, I don't ever want to hear about A&M going to the SEC. As far as a fight song...geesh, it's a song...write a new one and build on it.

Edit: I'm guessing we will know everything by Monday night....if A&M chooses to go and the SEC offers, I'm guessing we know what the worst will be that comes our way and had taken that into account.

 

[BrntO4Life]

The fight song line was a joke.

And, sorry, but every Texas recruit doesn't have location as their primary focus. Especially in an age where parents can watch their kids play anywhere via TV.

Also, Texas' options are not limited to Independence. They can add one more member to the Big 12 (a lackluster one, to be sure) to ensure that the first few years of the LHN go off without a hitch and guarantee some big money coming in. OU is willing to play along with UT, so why leave a conference you have absolute control over?

The Pac-12 is still a very real possibility. Larry Scott would really like to have Texas in his conference and the LHN isn't the roadblock most think it is. Grandfather clauses, FTW.

Last is Independence. Which, for recruiting, is just as big a deal as A&M going to the SEC. Texas would certainly continue to play OU, ND & BYU would (likely) become yearly matchups, and they have an upcoming home-and-home with USC. Texas would have some awesome new yearly rivalries.

 

[ryne candy]

I really think the roadblock for A&M joining would come from the SEC finding a 14th team. If they could grow to at least 14, they could create the SEC Network with increased television markets. Can't wait for these rumors to result into something and end.

 

[BrntO4Life]

I really think the roadblock for A&M joining would come from the SEC finding a 14th team. If they could grow to at least 14, they could create the SEC Network with increased television markets. Can't wait for these rumors to result into something and end.

They already have an SEC Network. ESPN owns the rights to it.

And they'll find a 14th team rather easily. The roadblock is the SEC vote.

Big 12 ADs started meeting 50 minutes ago. Bill Byrne was not in attendance.