New York Knicks 2010 Free Agent Watch

[NAHSTE]

Swaggerlicious??? Are you down with male on male anal penetration or what?

If you would actually watch a gay porno you'd understand. Obviously you don't watch as much gay porno as that guy so you could never understand exactly what swaggerlicious is all about.

 

[Palooza]

If you would actually watch a gay porno you'd understand. Obviously you don't watch as much gay porno as that guy so you could never understand exactly what swaggerlicious is all about.

Speaking of gay porn, I feel like I haven't seen Nuk around in a few days.

 

[Rush]

I expected better. This is boring.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

I expected better. This is boring.

agreed. its hard to argue that the knicks do not suck balls, when in fact they do suck balls and lebron would have a better chance winning it on another team

 

[Woy]

Wow, this thread blew up since I checked it last. The biggest thing I can take out of this is...

The Knicks don't have a 1st round pick, smart ass. Think before you speak. It would be a 2nd round selection, and a late one at that, as it's Denvers. so.. go home cub scout.

nigga u srs?

 

[Rush]

Who actually lets a thread about the Knicks get past page 1?

They haven't been relevant since John Starks was there.

 

[NAHSTE]

Who actually lets a thread about the Knicks get past page 1?

They haven't been relevant since John Starks was there.

You OBVIOUSLY have never watched a Knicks game.

 

[Rush]

I forgot people watched the NBA aside from the play-offs

 

[NAHSTE]

I forgot people watched the NBA aside from the play-offs

I watch every Hawks game. But after tonight, I'm reconsidering that stance.

 

[Palooza]

I watch every Hawks game. But after tonight, I'm reconsidering that stance.

I was disappointed, so I can't imagine how you felt.

 

[NAHSTE]

I was disappointed, so I can't imagine how you felt.

To quote my facebook status, I felt like slaying Jedi younglings ala Anakin Skywalker

 

[jeffx]

All good.....yeah I'm anything but a delusional Knick fan.....more like I'm desensitized to the fuckery that has been going on the last 7 or so years here.....lol

I'm more desensitized than you are - I've seen 37 years of fuckery(is there any team with a worse draft history/bad contracts than the Knicks?). I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll be in the grave before this team wins another title, especially with Dolan in charge, the worst owner in the NBA. Oh well, at least I saw the first two.

Walsh is taking a major gamble, but I guess he has no choice. If he fails, we're done.

 

[DJ Rhude]

I'm more desensitized than you are - I've seen 37 years of fuckery(is there any team with a worse draft history/bad contracts than the Knicks?). I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll be in the grave before this team wins another title, especially with Dolan in charge, the worst owner in the NBA. Oh well, at least I saw the first two.

Walsh is taking a major gamble, but I guess he has no choice. If he fails, we're done.

lol, I feel for you my brother....but you're lucky at least you've seen two championships.....my claim to fame is game seven of the finals against the Rockets and the infamous OJ "chase" interrupting the game

And I don't remember who the poster was, but please stop this foolishness about Douglas being viable trade bait

D'Antoni thinks so highly of Douglas that he doesn't even play him

 

[jeffx]

Here's where it all went wrong....

Post-Patrick Ewing era decline

Despite the loss of Ewing, the Knicks remained successful in the regular season, as they posted a 48–34 record. In the NBA playoffs, however, they fell in five games to the Toronto Raptors, failing to get past the first round of the playoffs for the first time in a decade.

Soon, the Knicks began suffering through a steep decline. After starting the season 10–9, the team was stunned on December 8, 2001 by the sudden resignation of Van Gundy. The team, which named longtime assistant Don Chaney as their new head coach, ended up with a 30–52 record, and for the first time since the 1986–87 season, they did not qualify for the playoffs.

The Knicks attempted to improve during the 2001–02 season by initiating a number of trades and free agent signings. Among these included acquiring guards Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley, both of whom carried expensive, long-term contracts. These moves were criticized by many analysts and Knicks fans, as it was considered that not only were these players overpaid in light of their recent performances, but also because the contracts took up valuable salary-cap space. Such trades heavily contributed to the Knicks sky-rocketing payroll, which would burden them in the years to come. The Knicks improved slightly in 2002–03 but still delivered a disappointing season, posting a 37–45 record and failing to qualify for the playoffs for the second straight season.


Arrival of Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury

After a 15–24 start to the 2003–04 season, the Knicks underwent a massive overhaul. Isiah Thomas was named the Knicks' president on December 22, 2003 after the firing of Scott Layden, and eventually replaced Don Chaney with Lenny Wilkens behind the bench. At the same time, Thomas orchestrated several trades, including one that brought point guard Stephon Marbury to the team. The team seemed to have good chemistry following the Marbury trade as he executed the pick and roll successfully with the team's two jump-shooting big men, Keith Van Horn and Michael Doleac. However, that chemistry unravelled when the latter two were traded in a three team trade with the Milwaukee Bucks and the Atlanta Hawks, bringing in Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed. The team qualified for the playoffs that year with a 39–43 record, but were swept by the New Jersey Nets in the first round. The series included a much publicized spat between the Knicks' Tim Thomas and Nets' Kenyon Martin, in which Thomas challenged Martin to a fight in the newspapers and called him "Fugazy".


2004–05

The Knicks fared worse in the 2004–05 season, as they ended up with a 33–49 record. Wilkens resigned during the season, and Herb Williams served as interim coach for the rest of the season. During the off-season, the team signed Larry Brown to a five-year contract worth about $50 million, hoping he would lead the Knicks back to the NBA playoffs.


2005–06

In the summer before the season, the Knicks acquired two centers. Jerome James was signed for the Mid-Level Exception for five years plus a one-year player option. Later, Chicago Bull Eddy Curry, who reportedly had a worrying heart condition, was refusing to take a controversial heart test, and was on the outs with John Paxson, Chicago's General Manager. The Bulls signed-and-traded him to the Knicks along with Antonio Davis for Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney, the Knicks 2006 first round pick, and the right to swap first-round picks with the Knicks in 2007, as well as 2007 and 2009 second-round picks. Isiah Thomas did not lottery-protect the picks, and the Knicks forfeited the second pick in the 2006 draft, and the ninth in the 2007 draft. The Knicks' payroll was the highest in the league at over $130 million, but the team finished the season with the second worst record in the NBA, just behind the Portland Trail Blazers, having finished the 2005–06 season with a dismal 23–59 record and capped off with the firing and $18.5 million buy-out of coach Larry Brown.

Over the last two years, Thomas' trades have been highly criticized, bringing in expensive players, such as Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Jerome James, Malik Rose, Jalen Rose, and Steve Francis. Moreover, Thomas has also accepted many bad contracts to make these trades, such as those of Penny Hardaway, Jerome Williams and Maurice Taylor, and given up draft picks. To Thomas' credit, his draft picks of David Lee, Trevor Ariza (later traded by Thomas), Nate Robinson, and Wilson Chandler are considered wise, as was his signing of free-agent center Jackie Butler, who later signed with the Spurs. Conversely, many considered his 2006 first-round draft pick of Renaldo Balkman very foolish, although Balkman's better-than-expected play in his rookie season led many to initially reverse this early sentiment before his play regressed in his second season.

Numerous anti-Knick websites have sprung up, most notably SellTheKnicks.com, who organized a march on Madison Square Garden, the home of the draft, to protest Dolan's "abysmal" management of the Knicks' players and coaching staff.

 

[Rayman]

You can have all the superstars all you want, but if they don't click, you ain't winning shit. People should realize that already. Yes, it looks damn good on paper..but doesn't mean it will automatically work out like you think. He's staying in Cleveland, end of discussion.

Yeah, that didn't work for Boston.

 

[Rayman]

Here's where it all went wrong....

Post-Patrick Ewing era decline

Despite the loss of Ewing, the Knicks remained successful in the regular season, as they posted a 48–34 record. In the NBA playoffs, however, they fell in five games to the Toronto Raptors, failing to get past the first round of the playoffs for the first time in a decade.

Soon, the Knicks began suffering through a steep decline. After starting the season 10–9, the team was stunned on December 8, 2001 by the sudden resignation of Van Gundy. The team, which named longtime assistant Don Chaney as their new head coach, ended up with a 30–52 record, and for the first time since the 1986–87 season, they did not qualify for the playoffs.

The Knicks attempted to improve during the 2001–02 season by initiating a number of trades and free agent signings. Among these included acquiring guards Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley, both of whom carried expensive, long-term contracts. These moves were criticized by many analysts and Knicks fans, as it was considered that not only were these players overpaid in light of their recent performances, but also because the contracts took up valuable salary-cap space. Such trades heavily contributed to the Knicks sky-rocketing payroll, which would burden them in the years to come. The Knicks improved slightly in 2002–03 but still delivered a disappointing season, posting a 37–45 record and failing to qualify for the playoffs for the second straight season.


Arrival of Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury

After a 15–24 start to the 2003–04 season, the Knicks underwent a massive overhaul. Isiah Thomas was named the Knicks' president on December 22, 2003 after the firing of Scott Layden, and eventually replaced Don Chaney with Lenny Wilkens behind the bench. At the same time, Thomas orchestrated several trades, including one that brought point guard Stephon Marbury to the team. The team seemed to have good chemistry following the Marbury trade as he executed the pick and roll successfully with the team's two jump-shooting big men, Keith Van Horn and Michael Doleac. However, that chemistry unravelled when the latter two were traded in a three team trade with the Milwaukee Bucks and the Atlanta Hawks, bringing in Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed. The team qualified for the playoffs that year with a 39–43 record, but were swept by the New Jersey Nets in the first round. The series included a much publicized spat between the Knicks' Tim Thomas and Nets' Kenyon Martin, in which Thomas challenged Martin to a fight in the newspapers and called him "Fugazy".


2004–05

The Knicks fared worse in the 2004–05 season, as they ended up with a 33–49 record. Wilkens resigned during the season, and Herb Williams served as interim coach for the rest of the season. During the off-season, the team signed Larry Brown to a five-year contract worth about $50 million, hoping he would lead the Knicks back to the NBA playoffs.


2005–06

In the summer before the season, the Knicks acquired two centers. Jerome James was signed for the Mid-Level Exception for five years plus a one-year player option. Later, Chicago Bull Eddy Curry, who reportedly had a worrying heart condition, was refusing to take a controversial heart test, and was on the outs with John Paxson, Chicago's General Manager. The Bulls signed-and-traded him to the Knicks along with Antonio Davis for Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney, the Knicks 2006 first round pick, and the right to swap first-round picks with the Knicks in 2007, as well as 2007 and 2009 second-round picks. Isiah Thomas did not lottery-protect the picks, and the Knicks forfeited the second pick in the 2006 draft, and the ninth in the 2007 draft. The Knicks' payroll was the highest in the league at over $130 million, but the team finished the season with the second worst record in the NBA, just behind the Portland Trail Blazers, having finished the 2005–06 season with a dismal 23–59 record and capped off with the firing and $18.5 million buy-out of coach Larry Brown.

Over the last two years, Thomas' trades have been highly criticized, bringing in expensive players, such as Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Jerome James, Malik Rose, Jalen Rose, and Steve Francis. Moreover, Thomas has also accepted many bad contracts to make these trades, such as those of Penny Hardaway, Jerome Williams and Maurice Taylor, and given up draft picks. To Thomas' credit, his draft picks of David Lee, Trevor Ariza (later traded by Thomas), Nate Robinson, and Wilson Chandler are considered wise, as was his signing of free-agent center Jackie Butler, who later signed with the Spurs. Conversely, many considered his 2006 first-round draft pick of Renaldo Balkman very foolish, although Balkman's better-than-expected play in his rookie season led many to initially reverse this early sentiment before his play regressed in his second season.

Numerous anti-Knick websites have sprung up, most notably SellTheKnicks.com, who organized a march on Madison Square Garden, the home of the draft, to protest Dolan's "abysmal" management of the Knicks' players and coaching staff.

Terrible.

Turrable.

:screams:

Whatever the case is, I don't know. But I'm 100% convinced that whatever LeBron is gonna do, he made up his mind long ago. We'll find out quickly. And if he does sign with the Knicks, I imagine we'll be slapped with a tampering charge (at least by Cleveland) right away.

Anyway, Donnie is banking a lot on this. If they end up not getting him, it's better to just not sign anyone to a max, get rid of Curry and continue "rebuilding". This team has no one that you can point to and say "He can carry a team on his back".

But that being said, it's not far behind Cleveland talent-wise if LeBron didn't play there.

 

[EmpireWF]

Never should have dealt Van Horn.

Tim Thomas was and forever will be garbage.

 

[DJ Rhude]

Jeff, you left out the Chris Dudley signing lol

And I always felt like they gave Herb Williams a raw deal....probably better for him not to be in the line of fire tho

 

[Argath]

I'm more desensitized than you are - I've seen 37 years of fuckery(is there any team with a worse draft history/bad contracts than the Knicks?). I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll be in the grave before this team wins another title, especially with Dolan in charge, the worst owner in the NBA. Oh well, at least I saw the first two.

Walsh is taking a major gamble, but I guess he has no choice. If he fails, we're done.

Yes and they call themselves the fearsome Lions!

 

[jeffx]

Anyway, Donnie is banking a lot on this. If they end up not getting him, it's better to just not sign anyone to a max, get rid of Curry and continue "rebuilding". This team has no one that you can point to and say "He can carry a team on his back".

Exactly. I don't think Walsh will spend that money foolishly if the main free agents stay put. Just wait for Carmelo & CP3(?) in 2011. I do worry about Walsh bailing on us if things don't go according to plan. If that happens, we're fucked for another 10 years. Might as well root for the Brooklyn Nets.

Empire is right. Knicks had a nice two-man game with Marbury/Van Horn, Doleac too. But Zeke decided to bring in Mr. Underachiever, Tim Thomas. Epic fail.

Rhu, Knicks started going downhill with the ridiculous Allan Houston contract, the mishandling of Ewing and dumping Marv Albert(because he wouldn't be a Knick shill like Gus Johnson). Bottom line, if we had a REAL owner like Mark Cuban instead of Brain-Dead Dolan(nothing but a rich man's son), we don't have ten years of ineptitude. Shit, Dolan's still fond of Isiah(they had dinner recently). He'd be in charge if it wasn't for Anucha-Brown Sanders. There were Knick fans at Selltheknicks.com who supported Isiah. Arguing with them was talking to a fucking wall.

Thank goodness for the Giants and the Yankees(even though I'm not a big baseball fan). But I do miss the days when the Knicks were relevant, the Garden was jumping in May/June, and our wars with Chicago, Indiana & Miami(sigh).