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[Warner2BruceTD]

Seems like you're basing these guys off a select few games. Freeman and Vick clearly outperformed Flacco this year. Freeman doing more with less and as a rookie is extremely impressive, more impressive than what Flacco accomplished IMO.

That's my point. The Flacco bashing in this thread is based on today's game, I was demonstrating the same type of analysis for the others.

Flacco has proven himself for three years, with his numbers improving every year. Wake me up when Freeman makes the playoffs once, let alone wins multiple road playoff games.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Vick ain't winnin nuffin EVA...foreva eva? FOREVA EVA!!!

 

[Epidemik]

lol housh

 

[kmanharris]

Where is Bmore saying that they have a great WR corps now? Boldin with a dropped TD pass and Housh with a dropped first down on 4th and long. Can't pin it all on Flacco, although the QB will always get the majority of the blame (see Romo.)

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Where is Bmore saying that they have a great WR corps now? Boldin with a dropped TD pass and Housh with a dropped first down on 4th and long. Can't pin it all on Flacco, although the QB will always get the majority of the blame (see Romo.)

Not to mention a bullshit holding call on the punt return TD.

I'm not really understanding the Flacco hate going on based on this game. I'm having trouble remembering all of the great moments of the Kyle Boller era, so maybe it's just me.

 

[BazookaJoe5]

Flacco is a very good QB. The Ravens are one of three teams that have been in the playoffs each of the past three years. The Ravens are the only team that has won at least one playoff game in each of the past three years. I'll take that any day over not being there at all, or losing in the first round. How is it Flacco's fault that Boldin dropped a pass that hit him right between the numbers, that would have been the go ahead TD and could have won the game?

That is the difference, not Flacco being bad. Roethlisberger has no-name WRs that make crucial catches and the Ravens two big pickups both came up short when it mattered. Not on Flacco.

I'm not really understanding the Flacco hate going on based on this game. I'm having trouble remembering all of the great moments of the Kyle Boller era, so maybe it's just me.

Trust me, no level headed Ravens fans are blaming Flacco or calling him a bad QB for what happened yesterday. Who really gives a shit where a Steeler fan rates him?

 

[BazookaJoe5]

And Flacco has pretty much had the benefit of a top 5 defense and top 5 rushing attack on his side his whole career.

By that logic the Ravens should have always been in the playoffs and winning lots of games with Kyle Boller at QB, because they generally had a top ground game and top defense during his tenure. Yet they never made the playoffs with him as their starting QB.

 

[G-men]

what i wanna know is who was actually ranking Flacco in their top 10.

i dont think he played that bad yesterday, but i didnt have him near my top 10 in the first place.

 

[steeljake]

I see. In 2011, we judge/rank players based on one game.

I'm not sure if Flacco is a top ten QB, but if I thought he was, one performance wouldnt change my mind. He wasnt even that bad today.

no it is based onhis career thus far. i have to endure arguements from the likes of bmore that flacco is in the same class as big ben and rivers.

Where is Bmore saying that they have a great WR corps now? Boldin with a dropped TD pass and Housh with a dropped first down on 4th and long. Can't pin it all on Flacco, although the QB will always get the majority of the blame (see Romo.)

fuck. thats twice i have had to thank a cowbitch fan's post... also, romo > flacco, but they both still suck.

Not to mention a bullshit holding call on the punt return TD.

I'm not really understanding the Flacco hate going on based on this game. I'm having trouble remembering all of the great moments of the Kyle Boller era, so maybe it's just me.

the holding call was legit, you should have watched the replay. the personal fould on hines ward on the steelers first play on offense was bullshit.


also, anyone who thinks matt ryan is a top ten qb needs to get a grip.

 

[Bear Pand]

By that logic the Ravens should have always been in the playoffs and winning lots of games with Kyle Boller at QB, because they generally had a top ground game and top defense during his tenure. Yet they never made the playoffs with him as their starting QB.

So Flacco's saving grace is that he's better than Kyle Boller? Ok props to him for that.

I'm not saying he's on Boller's level, he's just not as good as nearly any other QB you'd put in the top 10.

And yeah the Ravens make the playoffs with Flacco, where he completes 53% of his passes, has about twice as many INTs as TDs, and averages 150 yards a game. SMH.

When Ravens win in the playoffs it's usually because they force a ton of turnovers or shut the other team's offense down. Flacco aint really out there doing shit. Ravens have never won a playoff game with Flacco where the other team scored over 14 points.

Hes only 24 in his 3rd year and has time to improve, but for now it is what it is.

 

[shag773]

no it is based onhis career thus far. i have to endure arguements from the likes of bmore that flacco is in the same class as big ben and rivers.

But you're original post was that Flacco shouldn't be a top 10 QB, not arguing Flacco = Big Ben and Rivers. Huge difference.

I think anyone that watched Flacco the last few years knows he's much more than just "a caretaker" of this offense. His playoff success (4 wins in three years IIRC is pretty good) + his regular season success = Top Ten consideration IMO.

 

[inthecards21]

geez... he played like shit and you could argue he isn't top 10 worthy. But he did play the #1 defense in the league... Just sayin'

Earlier this season-

Colt McCoy-23-33 281 yards-1 TD 2 INT

Chad Henne-23-36 257 yards 1 TD 1 INT

Carson Palmer-22-36 248 yards 2 TD 1 INT

Ryan Fitzpatrick-23-45 265 yards 1 TD (shouldve been 2) 1 INT

These scrubs didn't seem to have a problem against our D

 

[ralaw]

Flacco is certainly an upgrade over what the Ravens have had, but I'd be glad when he gets to the point when you can see that he is in control of the game and able to dictate to the defense.

 

[steeljake]

But you're original post was that Flacco shouldn't be a top 10 QB, not arguing Flacco = Big Ben and Rivers. Huge difference.

I think anyone that watched Flacco the last few years knows he's much more than just "a caretaker" of this offense. His playoff success (4 wins in three years IIRC is pretty good) + his regular season success = Top Ten consideration IMO.

really? sanchize is 3-1 in the playoffs and his team wins games and makes theplayoffs... does thatmake him top 10 or a benificary of a good team?

 

[shag773]

really? sanchize is 3-1 in the playoffs and his team wins games and makes theplayoffs... does thatmake him top 10 or a benificary of a good team?

Lets look at it this way. Here are the QBs that are locked into the top 10, In no particular order

P Manning
T Brady
Big Ben
P Rivers
D Brees
A Rodgers
T Romo

So that leaves three spots open. Here are the NFL starters that are left (The Vikings, Cardinals, and Titans were intentially left out. I left McNabb in there because he is most likely starting somewhere next year) :

E Manning
J Freeman
M Ryan
J Flacco
C Palmer
M Cassel
S Bradford
C McCoy
M Sanchez
C Henne
M Hasselback
J Cutler
M Stafford
M Schaub
D Gerrard
R Fitzpatrick
J Campbell
D McNabb
A Smith
J Clausen
T Tebow
M Vick

So Jake, which 3 QB's on this list would you rate above Flacco to keep him out of the Top 10?

 

[EmpireWF]

No way is Tony Romo locked in as a top 10 QB.

 

[inthecards21]

take out romo, put in sanchez, bradford, freeman, and matt ryan

 

[kmanharris]

take out romo, put in sanchez, bradford, freeman, and matt ryan

Really?

Even Ryan is a stretch but I'll give you Sanchez because he has a solid playoff resume.

But you would really take Bradford and Freeman over Romo? That's laughable.

 

[inthecards21]

Really?

Even Ryan is a stretch but I'll give you Sanchez because he has a solid playoff resume.

But you would really take Bradford and Freeman over Romo? That's laughable.

I never was high on Romo, plus he's already 30

 

[Deviant]

My original Top Ten before the season started:

1 - Peyton Manning

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2a - Aaron Rodgers
2b - Drew Brees
4 - Philip Rivers

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5 - Tony Romo
6 - Ben Roethlisberger
7 - Tom Brady
8 - Matt Schaub

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9 - Eli Manning
10 - Vince Young

I still see it this way for the most part except for a few changes:

1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Aaron Rodgers

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3 - Drew Brees
4 - Philip Rivers

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5 - Tom Brady
6 - Ben Roethlisberger

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7 - Michael Vick
8 - Tony Romo

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9/10 - Huge toss up between six quarterbacks.

Aaron Rodgers will most likely end up being better than Manning by next year. He's the complete package. Huge arm, great accuracy, a lot of zip on his throws and can get the job done on his feet as well. Rodgers has "greatest quarterback of all time" potential.