[PS3] Official PSN discussion thread

[Maynard]

I'm pretty sure it was Christmas '07 and starting that day through a day or so after New Years that XBL was sporadically available. Some people had more trouble than others but it was pretty much a week that the service was not working correctly. In Microsoft's defense, it was because so many people were trying to use it and crashed the system as opposed to letting themselves be hacked and having to bring the whole network down.

i havnt read any thoughts you have had on this PSN issue since it was discussed here back in January.

So what do make of all of it?

 

[Colonel Angus]

Are there really people here that think PSN is better than XBL? Even before this hacking incident the only good thing about PSN was that it was free.

 

[Colonel Angus]

What really sucks about this outage is not having other subscriptions available that depend on PSN like Netflix or MLB TV. Will Sony reimburse us for the service time lost on those? Were going on the third week of this which means people with these services are going to lose almost a month worth of those services. I'm pretty sure MLB TV is about $10 a month and Netflix is $8.

I wouldn't be so pissed off if I still had access to netflix. I can live without online gaming but I never knew how much I used netflix. Anyone have MLB TV?

 

[Sharkweather]

What really sucks about this outage is not having other subscriptions available that depend on PSN like Netflix or MLB TV. Will Sony reimburse us for the service time lost on those? Were going on the third week of this which means people with these services are going to lose almost a month worth of those services. I'm pretty sure MLB TV is about $10 a month and Netflix is $8.

I wouldn't be so pissed off if I still had access to netflix. I can live without online gaming but I never knew how much I used netflix. Anyone have MLB TV?

MLB TV is $120 when the season starts, so $20/month. I never use it on my ps3 though, just computer.

 

[hackett]

I prefer Playstation over Xbox because of the exclusives and controller. Also, add in the fact that Madden takes up 50% of my gaming time and I have been playing against the same guys in leagues going on 10 yrs on Playstation..... Then that is my only argument as to why I favor PS.
I like the Xbox too. I've just had shit luck with keeping one operational for an extended period of time and the last one I had was stolen. Not to mention I tried buying one last winter online, but was lost in the mail. Thinking of trying again this summer when the rumored price drop takes place.

*edit* my netflix is still operational through PS3.

 

[EmpireWF]

Netflix is still useable despite PSN being down.

 

[dave]

Watching movies on my PS3 via Bluray is great. Renting movies, I prefer 360 because my 360 has wireless N, not G ... and that's a big factor.
I honestly don't care about console wars anymore.
Both machines have their strengths and weaknesses.
I am not freaking out about the PSN thing. It happened. I will never incur a bad charge on my VISA. I don't like that it happened and will be part of the Canadian class action lawsuit, but it happened ... and could have happened to any company.
I am only being part of the class action suit because I want Sony to take my personal information security seriously.

Something like this could just as easily happen to Microsoft, don't kid yourselves.

 

[Scikotic]

Are there really people here that think PSN is better than XBL? Even before this hacking incident the only good thing about PSN was that it was free.

Aside from this outage, I see absolutely no difference at all. Except that playstation owners haven't had to fork out $200 in the last 4 years just to play online.

 

[Scikotic]

I prefer Playstation over Xbox because of the exclusives and controller. Also, add in the fact that Madden takes up 50% of my gaming time and I have been playing against the same guys in leagues going on 10 yrs on Playstation..... Then that is my only argument as to why I favor PS.
I like the Xbox too. I've just had shit luck with keeping one operational for an extended period of time and the last one I had was stolen. Not to mention I tried buying one last winter online, but was lost in the mail. Thinking of trying again this summer when the rumored price drop takes place.

*edit* my netflix is still operational through PS3.

If I didn't hate the Xbox controller so much, I would probably give it a try.

 

[Colonel Angus]

I was able to watch netflix on PSN through the outage up to Monday. Idk what changed but it won't load my selections anymore. That's why I'm mad now. I didn't realize how much I used it until now.

As far as console wars, I don't care either. I've had both. I like both. But XBL is much better than PSN and I didn't really mind paying for it. When I went from XBL to PSN it was a pretty lousy transition.

 

[padman59]

Netflix stopped working for me as well.

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A couple of interesting pieces of news came out tonight. The first is that Sony is considering offering a reward for information leading to an arrest of anyone who participated in the breach, and they're denying that they had outdated firmware and no firewalls on their servers.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20060661-83.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&dlvrit=142337

The second is that two members of Anonymous have come forward saying that other members of the group were likely responsible for the breach. I'm not sure this is entirely surprising though.

One Anonymous member told the FT that he saw technical details of a vulnerability in Sony’s network that enabled the break-in discussed on an Anonymous chat room, shortly before the intrusion.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d0a21040-7800-11e0-b90e-00144feabdc0.html

 

[DDRGuido]

Are there really people here that think PSN is better than XBL? Even before this hacking incident the only good thing about PSN was that it was free.

I know it's been discussed but it wasn't free. I had to purchase a $300 PS3 to access PSN. I might be in the minority in the console world but I game exclusively online. Maybe I should of got a 360 instead. But I wanted a ps3 because Zipper made Socom II. (my fav game of all time and best experience gaming online). Shoulda stuck with ps2 servers SONY! I don't ever remember not being able to play for two and half weeks going on 3.

 

[Helicopter]

I wish people (no offense Guido) would stop saying that PSN isn't free and is included in the price of the console. Does that mean that Microsoft charges you for online service when you purchase a 360, and still charges another fee on top of that?

If someone gives me a PS3 and I pay nothing for it, I can take that PS3 and play online....for FREE! The same cannot be said about the 360.

Sorry. Just tired of hearing that PSN isn't free. It IS!

 

[ThomasTomasz]

I'm pretty sure it was Christmas '07 and starting that day through a day or so after New Years that XBL was sporadically available. Some people had more trouble than others but it was pretty much a week that the service was not working correctly. In Microsoft's defense, it was because so many people were trying to use it and crashed the system as opposed to letting themselves be hacked and having to bring the whole network down.

That is exactly why. I remember it, as it was a huge spike in membership. That will happen to any online service. There hasn't been an issue like that since.

Aside from this outage, I see absolutely no difference at all. Except that playstation owners haven't had to fork out $200 in the last 4 years just to play online.

Right, but I pay that money each month, and I don't have to worry about the network being down, nor do I feel like my personal information is at risk. It sucks having to pay that money, but it also helps Microsoft reinvent Live every year or so, and they always add something.

As someone else said, I too am sick of console wars. I also don't like paying the fee for Live, but I see the benefits of it, now more than ever.

 

[JayDizzle]

Gotta love instantaneous news on the internet...

 

I'm reading from Joystiq's twitter that stolen PSN data was published to the web.

...not so bad except that SONY had to remove 2500 names and partial addresses.

Of course I can't find the actual article attached to this statement so... :ionno:

 

[MrBill]

i havnt read any thoughts you have had on this PSN issue since it was discussed here back in January.

So what do make of all of it?

I think Sony's heavy handed treatment of the hacker community backfired on them. Their online experience has never been as good as that of Microsoft but it has been more than adequate for a service that has been free to the end users. Microsoft on the other hand hasn't really done much to fight the hacker community, they just drew the line at playing on XBL with hacked games and have tried to fight them there. Had Microsoft gone after the hacker 'c4eva' that hacked their DVD firmware as hard as Sony went after 'geohot' then maybe there would have been some backlash against them.

Not sure that the hackers would have been as successful going against Microsoft though since they pride themselves on security and as a technology company, they would lose billions in revenue if it was perceived they could be taken down by a bunch of juvenile Internet hackers. Sony will not take as big a hit to their image over this since they are a hardware company first and foremost.

 

[padman59]

Gotta love instantaneous news on the internet...

 

I'm reading from Joystiq's twitter that stolen PSN data was published to the web.

...not so bad except that SONY had to remove 2500 names and partial addresses.

Of course I can't find the actual article attached to this statement so... :ionno:

They put the article back up. Apparently, Sony was hosting a file on their website that had names and partial addresses of users. That is what they took down (not stolen data).

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/07/sony-removes-2500-names-and-partial-addresses-from-exposed-son/

 

[Maynard]

I wish people (no offense Guido) would stop saying that PSN isn't free and is included in the price of the console. Does that mean that Microsoft charges you for online service when you purchase a 360, and still charges another fee on top of that?

If someone gives me a PS3 and I pay nothing for it, I can take that PS3 and play online....for FREE! The same cannot be said about the 360.

Sorry. Just tired of hearing that PSN isn't free. It IS!

i totally agree and see what you are saying.....but the PSN isnt free comment is more geared at its marketability rather than a fact.

i made the comment a ways back that one of the things that draws people to the PS3 is that the online service is totally free. So in essence, the service is sold as part of the package when you buy it

if im an online only gamer and i compare consoles, i know i pay for XBL and i get PSN for free. So if i choose the PS3 because of that, then it was (in a manor of speaking) included as part of the package

I think Sony's heavy handed treatment of the hacker community backfired on them. Their online experience has never been as good as that of Microsoft but it has been more than adequate for a service that has been free to the end users. Microsoft on the other hand hasn't really done much to fight the hacker community, they just drew the line at playing on XBL with hacked games and have tried to fight them there. Had Microsoft gone after the hacker 'c4eva' that hacked their DVD firmware as hard as Sony went after 'geohot' then maybe there would have been some backlash against them.

Not sure that the hackers would have been as successful going against Microsoft though since they pride themselves on security and as a technology company, they would lose billions in revenue if it was perceived they could be taken down by a bunch of juvenile Internet hackers. Sony will not take as big a hit to their image over this since they are a hardware company first and foremost.

interesting....do u think it can be patched? its been well stated that it can only be fixed via new hardware. knowing what you know....do u think it can be fixed or just band aided until the next time?

 

[Maynard]

also would like to see what killgod and leaffan have to say

 

[leaffan]

also would like to see what killgod and leaffan have to say

Fuck sony

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