PacMan...you dirty brah?

[Steel Mamba]

True, I should have said nationality.





The guy has agreed to any and all other types of testing. He just dosent want blood drawn within 48 hours of the fight.

The fact PBF wont back off of that, tells me he dosent really want to fight him.

He's agreed to everything that cannot detect HGH. Coincidentally? The fact that Pac can't adhere to a simple blood test tells me he has something to hide or he really doesn't want the fight.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I dont know where you guys get your information, but i've never heard of guys clearing their system in 48 hours, and their is no reliable testing for HGH.

PBF comes off like a guy who knows Pacman wouldnt accept the terms, and its his way of backing out of the fight while making it look like Pacman is backing out.

 

[JeremyHight]

If PBF really wanted to fight and make sure it was fair, he would agree to a testing schedule that tested 2-5 days before the fight instead of one that could test literally 24 hours before the fight. Paq has said he doesn't want to even consider a plan that could involve him giving blood the day before the fight.

There are no real drugs that can be put into your system only 48 hours before a fight and be out of your system by the time blood is drawn after the fight. This is purely PBF trying to use his ego and supposed power while Paq simply walks away.

Make no mistake, neither guy really needs this fight. They are both wealthy and have proven to be amazing fighters.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He's agreed to everything that cannot detect HGH. Coincidentally? The fact that Pac can't adhere to a simple blood test tells me he has something to hide or he really doesn't want the fight.

He agreed to blood tests. Just not within 48 hours of the fight.

And again, NOTHING can detect HGH. These blood tests are the best we have, but are not considered reliable.

 

[Steel Mamba]

I thought you didnt care about this stuff Mamba? Now you're all about testing?

I don't recall saying that I don't care about drug test, but it's not so much about that, it's about the fight. I want to see this fight happen and it's silly for it to go down the drain because Pac doesn't want to take a simple test.

 

[JeremyHight]

The story is simple:

- Paq expects simple Nevada Standard testing, which is the norm for nearly every boxing match.

- PBF demanded Olympic level testing that includes random blood and urine testing, including testing that could take place the day before the fight.

- Paq compromised to say he would do any and all drug testing, including random drug testing from the date of the announcement of the fight to 2-5 days before the fight. He has said he doesn't want to get his blood taken literally the day before the fight, but would still give blood after the fight.

Where is the compromise by PBF? Paq has shown he is willing to give ground in the name of fairness and getting the fight going, but PBF is ducking behind this "I want a fair match" when in reality, a cutoff of 2-5 days would still allow for a fair match.

Also, Steel, the HGH test is far more likely to catch someone during the training period than before any fight. HGH is out of your system very quickly and cycling off of it directly before a fight would drastically hurt your energy levels at a key time that you don't want your energy to be low.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't recall saying that I don't care about drug test, but it's not so much about that, it's about the fight. I want to see this fight happen and it's silly for it to go down the drain because Pac doesn't want to take a simple test.

I get what you're saying, but PBF is playing dirty. Apparently its pretty well known that Pac dosent like having blood drawn less than 48 hours pre fight. It makes it look like PBF is making this demand because he knew Pac would balk.

When fighters are already as rich as these two, money stops being a great motivator. Crazy.

 

[EmpireWF]

Pac says he would willingly give blood for a test after the fight.

This comes off like Floyd doesn't want the fight. If Pac were to use something, he can't just screen it out the day of the fight or the day before. If he were using something that can be detected, it'd show up on the blood/piss test after the fight.


Btw, Pac is saying he will sue Mayweather for defamation.

 

[Liquidrob]

If this fight doesnt happen it makes MMA, mostly the UFC look like gold, no one in the mainstream media knows or even cares about the UFC exclusive contracts and not being able to sign Fedor, White just keeps feeding the media that stuff like this doesnt happen in MMA and we make fights that fans want, blah, blah blah

Hopefully this fight gets done

 

[DJ Fog]

If he agreed to give blood right after the fight, I don't see what the rest of the hoopla is for.

Is 12 rounds enough to flush yourself of a cycle or something?

 

[Steel Mamba]

He agreed to blood tests. Just not within 48 hours of the fight.

And again, NOTHING can detect HGH. These blood tests are the best we have, but are not considered reliable.

"A test for hGH was first introduced at the 2004 Summer Olympic Games in Athens, Greece. The test to detect hGH abuse is a blood test. "

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources1/Q-and-A/Q-A-Human-Growth-Hormone/

 

[Steel Mamba]

Also, Steel, the HGH test is far more likely to catch someone during the training period than before any fight. HGH is out of your system very quickly and cycling off of it directly before a fight would drastically hurt your energy levels at a key time that you don't want your energy to be low.

True, some people still haven't caught on to this part yet tho. The latter part I do not believe is true, you're suppose to cycle on/off with hgh. If Pac is using he would set it up whereas his off cycle begins prior to fight night. So he would get the benefits and be off and have it out of his system come fight night. So again scheduled test does not address the problem.

 

[Steel Mamba]

To add to that why do you think Arum was so precise on when the first blood test would have to be and was absolutely unwilling to accept any test later than his specific date. The only logical answer is so that he can have his on cycle then be off in time for the fight. It’s so obvious this dude is hiding something.

 

[JeremyHight]

"A test for hGH was first introduced at the 2004 Summer Olympic Games in Athens, Greece. The test to detect hGH abuse is a blood test. "

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources1/Q-and-A/Q-A-Human-Growth-Hormone/

And again, this test does absolutely nothing before a fight because the fighter will already be off the cycle. This was instituted at the 2004 Olympic games and caught no one because no one is dumb enough to use it going into a competition. It is mainly used in training and that is why the random drug testing done between the announcement and the week before the fight is far more important than the one done immediately before the fight.

Paq has agreed to all testing, even the highly illogical HGH test before the fight, but all he wants is an agreement that it won't happen the day or two before the fight. Is it really that much to ask considering he is taking one right after the fight and randomly during his training?

 

[JeremyHight]

True, some people still haven't caught on to this part yet tho. The latter part I do not believe is true, you're suppose to cycle on/off with hgh. If Pac is using he would set it up whereas his off cycle begins prior to fight night. So he would get the benefits and be off and have it out of his system come fight night. So again scheduled test does not address the problem.

Except that while under the affects of HGH, your stamina is dramatically hurt. The Danish Sports Institute proved that a while back by showing that once you are subject to higher levels of HGH, your stamina decreases and you gradually build it back after being off of any HGH supplement. Why would Paq hurt his chances by cycling so soon to the fight?

 

[Steel Mamba]

And again, this test does absolutely nothing before a fight because the fighter will already be off the cycle. This was instituted at the 2004 Olympic games and caught no one because no one is dumb enough to use it going into a competition. It is mainly used in training and that is why the random drug testing done between the announcement and the week before the fight is far more important than the one done immediately before the fight.

Paq has agreed to all testing, even the highly illogical HGH test before the fight, but all he wants is an agreement that it won't happen the day or two before the fight. Is it really that much to ask considering he is taking one right after the fight and randomly during his training?

Exactly which is why Pac knows the test won't be right before the fight, most likely it'll be some random point midway through his camp. Plus, he's demanding more than that, he's only willing to accept his own set dates which I believe would have been in Jan or Feb. Why does he get to set those type of dates, why does he want to. It's not enough hes guaranteed that he won't be tested the day of, but he wants his own dates outside of that too. Why?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

"A test for hGH was first introduced at the 2004 Summer Olympic Games in Athens, Greece. The test to detect hGH abuse is a blood test. "

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources1/Q-and-A/Q-A-Human-Growth-Hormone/

Yes, the Olympic blood test exists, but it's unreliable. That's why Major League Baseball and the NFL won't use it, and why everyone who dosent have their head in the sand knows that any athlete who wants to use HGH can and will get away with it.

 

[JeremyHight]

Exactly which is why Pac knows the test won't be right before the fight, most likely it'll be some random point midway through his camp. Plus, he's demanding more than that, he's only willing to accept his own set dates which I believe would have been in Jan or Feb. Why does he get to set those type of dates, why does he want to. It's not enough hes guaranteed that he won't be tested the day of, but he wants his own dates outside of that too. Why?

Arum has come out and said that Paq would take more blood tests than just the ones set by USADA, including randomly after the fight was announced, but that they just want assurance that blood will not be drawn the day of the fight (which is allowed under USADA regulations) and probably a few days before.

So, let me get this straight, Paq is saying he is willing to do more than 3 blood tests plus all the urine tests, but all he wants is just some rule of saying they won't take it right before the fight and PBF is saying no. Again, who is trying to avoid this fight?

 

[JeremyHight]

Well, by the sound of it, Paq is quite pissed and unwilling to even get the terms mediated by John McCain. He looks to be pushing heavily for a defamation lawsuit to be filed against PBF, although he did say:

"Pretty Boy Floyd, face me instead on March 13 in Las Vegas and not in some talk show forum or in press releases written for you by people who don't even know me. Face me in a fight where I get to punch back. To Floyd, despite all these accusations, may your Christmas be merry, and I will see you in court soon, too."

I don't know what to think, but this is a crazy situation. Paq seems like the type that would just say "Fuck him" and continue beating the shit out of everyone he faces.

 

[stevsta]

To add to that why do you think Arum was so precise on when the first blood test would have to be and was absolutely unwilling to accept any test later than his specific date. The only logical answer is so that he can have his on cycle then be off in time for the fight. It’s so obvious this dude is hiding something.

obviously i mean you are probably an expert in every drug taking category that you would obviously know if someone was hiding something

no one should be considered guilty until a positive test or reliable testimonys or evidence surfaces if none of the stuff above is around there is no grounds to stand on in fact i think steel mamba takes steroids