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PSU Penalties: $60 Mil Fine, 4-Year Bowl Ban, 40 Schollies Over 4 Years, Wins Vacated

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this situation is wholly different than any of the ones you mentioned in your post, and therefore, must be treated as such...

Coach and administrators being directly involved with covering up a compliance issue, with the NCAA bylaw clearly showing that even this fits into compliance. This isn't all that different except that it was clearly investigated by someone outside of the NCAA for the university and they found how badly PSU didn't work to fulfill their requirements to the NCAA, Department of Education, Pennsylvania law, and federal law. Again, how is this all that different considering the president of the NCAA has already shown a bylaw to prove that the NCAA can be involved in this matter?
 
I still just don't see why the NCAA needs to involve themselves in this matter when trials against all living individuals involved are coming. I don't want to rehash old posts, but I just don't buy this kind of reaction for "lack of institutional control". This is a pile on (if true), and is such a gross step outside of the NCAA authority that I feel bad for the next team that does something bad that actually has something to do with keeping a fair level of competition on the playing field.
 
I looked it up and changed it. In all seriousness though what has been worse?

eh, can't compare the two because of the different societies. Obviously, from a nuts and bolts, anything involving children is awful.

Both rocked the landscape of sports in America. Not thinking about the kids, the blacksox deal nearly brought baseball to its end. While the Sandusky deal means nothing to college football in the grand scheme besides hopefully limiting the fuck everything but football sentiment....it obviously is effecting PSU on that scale.
 
Coach and administrators being directly involved with covering up a compliance issue, with the NCAA bylaw clearly showing that even this fits into compliance. This isn't all that different except that it was clearly investigated by someone outside of the NCAA for the university and they found how badly PSU didn't work to fulfill their requirements to the NCAA, Department of Education, Pennsylvania law, and federal law. Again, how is this all that different considering the president of the NCAA has already shown a bylaw to prove that the NCAA can be involved in this matter?
b/c instead of being solely a sports related issue, it is an entire university issue, from the president on down to that ginger macquery (fuck spelling his name right)... and b/c all of those slimebags are gone, and will be punished to the fullest extent of the law, it makes little sense to cripple an economy just to prove a point...
 
There are tremendously HUGE variations of degrees of "feel the effects". Saying that professors, students, janitors, IT guys, lunch ladies, so on and so forth, should feel any effect other than shock that their president would do that, is absurd. You're making it sound like some punishment should be levied against them because of what some schmuck did, just because that schmuck was president. If those dolling out the punishment make one that heinously hurts those people I mentioned, then yes, I will blame them. I've already blamed the president after all, and a UNITED STATES COURT probably will as well.

i am not talking about punishing those people you mentioned. i dont even recall thinking that. what i said is that by punishing the university that those types of people will feel the effects as collateral damage

its unfortunate for them to say the least....but even more unfortunate is the years of abuse that was covered up and allowed to continue.
 
b/c instead of being solely a sports related issue, it is an entire university issue, from the president on down to that ginger macquery (fuck spelling his name right)... and b/c all of those slimebags are gone, and will be punished to the fullest extent of the law, it makes little sense to cripple an economy just to prove a point...

So you are saying that if a university is involved in a 12 year cover up, they shouldn't be punished at all as long as they fire the people involved? Considering how much the university, the coaches, the players, and everyone else involved with the program benefited by JoePa and his cronies covering this up, I think its only fair that the football program gets at least a slap on the wrist. If there are other people impacted, that isn't the NCAA's fault.
 
This entire section from one of the ESPN articles (which doesn't seem to get enough focus considering where it's coming from, sums up my point best, and with more authority/knowledge on the matter):

ESPN said:
NCAA presidents past and present have made a point of saying they are not akin to a commissioner in professional sports and don't have the power to penalize players, coaches or schools independently.

The former chair said the only "rule" that the NCAA could be holding onto here is a lack of institutional control.

"I would be surprised if they're treating this as simply a lack of institutional control under the rules," the former chair said. "Because then that would technically go through the committee."

The chair said that the NCAA is choosing to deal with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

"The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera," the chair said. "This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with."

The former chair said as an example the NCAA didn't get involved in the murder of Yeardley Love, a women's lacrosse player at Virginia, by her former boyfriend, a male lacrosse player at Virginia.

"The real question is whether or not under the overall rules and regulations of the NCAA do those in charge take action when it doesn't fall within the scope and realm of the normal infractions process," the former chair said. "This has nothing to do with a level playing field or competition. The NCAA is a voluntary organization and the schools sign on to be bound by the NCAA rules and regulations."

The chair added that the only connection to athletics was that the department was lenient to Sandusky and that some of his crimes were committed at the Penn State football facility.

"But this has nothing to do with NCAA business," the former chair said. "This is new. If they're going to deal with situations of this kind that have nothing to do with the games of who plays and so on and rather deal with members of the athletic department who act immorally or criminally then it opens up the door to other cases."

The NCAA, the chair said, didn't get involved in punishing the school for criminal behavior.

"The criminal courts are perfectly capable of handling these situations," the former chair said. "This is a new phase and a new thing. They are getting into bad behavior that are somehow connected to those who work in the athletic department.

"This is an important precedent. And it should be taken with extreme care."
 
eh, can't compare the two because of the different societies. Obviously, from a nuts and bolts, anything involving children is awful.

Both rocked the landscape of sports in America. Not thinking about the kids, the blacksox deal nearly brought baseball to its end. While the Sandusky deal means nothing to college football in the grand scheme besides hopefully limiting the fuck everything but football sentiment....it obviously is effecting PSU on that scale.

See It does mean something to college football. Because this brings up the controversey of Mark Emmert's envolvement and if that is too much power. It also could hurt the Big Ten conference possibly and obviously those kids lifes are forever destroyed. This will not only hurt Penn State, this has the potential to bring up alot of bad things. Don't be surprised if the impact is greater than you once thought.
 
i am not talking about punishing those people you mentioned. i dont even recall thinking that. what i am saying is that by punishing the university that those types of people will feel the effects as collateral damage

its unfortunate for them to say the least....but even more unfortunate is the years of abuse that was covered up and allowed to continue.

But who has the right to doll out such punishments? The NCAA could easily reprimand the PSU football program (despite the fact that even that is arguably outside of their jurisdiction) without seemingly trying to cripple the entire university (which is what this punishment seems intent on doing). If someone is going to cripple the university it will be the body that LEGALLY IS ALLOWED to do so. Not some group of people with way too much power already trying to overstep their boundaries. Or at least, that's how it should be. Who knows what will happen.
 
So you are saying that if a university is involved in a 12 year cover up, they shouldn't be punished at all as long as they fire the people involved? Considering how much the university, the coaches, the players, and everyone else involved with the program benefited by JoePa and his cronies covering this up, I think its only fair that the football program gets at least a slap on the wrist. If there are other people impacted, that isn't the NCAA's fault.

I think this is more than a slap on the wrist. It is more a punch in the face or, a kick in the balls.
 
See It does mean something to college football. Because this brings up the controversey of Mark Emmert's envolvement and if that is too much power. It also could hurt the Big Ten conference possibly and obviously those kids lifes are forever destroyed. This will not only hurt Penn State, this has the potential to bring up alot of bad things. Don't be surprised if the impact is greater than you once thought.

Whatever happens to PSU, college football will go on like nothing happened (obviously, PSU won't) but CFB is in no danger of dying.
 
So you are saying that if a university is involved in a 12 year cover up, they shouldn't be punished at all as long as they fire the people involved? Considering how much the university, the coaches, the players, and everyone else involved with the program benefited by JoePa and his cronies covering this up, I think its only fair that the football program gets at least a slap on the wrist. If there are other people impacted, that isn't the NCAA's fault.
again, go look back at the post where i stated what should be done, and stop acting like FT... you are smarter than this...
 
Whatever happens to PSU, college football will go on like nothing happened (obviously, PSU won't) but CFB is in no danger of dying.

I agree with that. CFB is fine. However, Emmert's involvement will create controversey, especially if ( dare I say it ) The dudes post is right about, what is happening to the football team.
 
again, go look back at the post where i stated what should be done, and stop acting like FT... you are smarter than this...

Fuck you, making me look through like 200+ posts for your shit.

fine the school $100 million
bowl ban for 3 years
TV ban for 1
dock them 10 schollies a year for 3-5 years
make any football revenue for 1-5 years go to charity
boom, punishment over

these rumored punishments are fucking retarded, and the NCAA won't (and shouldn't) do them... punishing the people there now (especially that severely) for this is beyond retarded, even though the crimes were downright horrifying...

Umm... that is almost exactly what I said would occur a few pages beforehand...

I'm guessing it will be a 3+ year post-season ban and a loss of about 8 scholarships per year for 4 years.. That is the only thing that could possibly be worse than a death penalty because it would allow for anyone graduating in the span of the ban to transfer without penalty, basically turning Penn State into a market open for college teams (most likely including Big Ten teams). Plus, with less scholarships, football will be unable to restock the shelves, so to speak. If they throw in other things like TV bans, those will just be gravy, but the meat of the matter will be the post-season ban and the loss of scholarships.

Also, I expect some sort of department wide punishment as well. Probably a loss of scholarships and maybe an entire post-season ban for all sports for one year.

Maybe, but I don't know how willing the NCAA will hand them out. Alabama lost 21 scholarships over 3 years. USC lost 30 over 3 years. Ohio State lost 24 over three years (15 self imposed, 9 more tacked on by the NCAA). I think 24-27 over 3 years will be the number. I don't see them going much more than 3 years out of precedent and this definitely lies somewhere around the OSU/USC landmark in terms of compliance.

Also, the 3+ year post-season ban would again be the biggest factor. Alabama got 2 years, USC 2 years, Ohio State 1 year. Anything more than 2 years would be extremely painful.

Fuck you for arguing with me when I'm saying the same thing as you except for your 100 million dollar fine (expected to be 30 million by the way).
 
Fuck you, making me look through like 200+ posts for your shit.



Umm... that is almost exactly what I said would occur a few pages beforehand...





Fuck you for arguing with me when I'm saying the same thing as you except for your 100 million dollar fine (expected to be 30 million by the way).
threads do not exist to me until i post in them... :dd:

also lets make babies for agreeing on punishments...
 
if those punishments are true, this goes beyond punishing the football team and the school, it will cripple the local economy and likely have huge repercussions on the academics of the institution as well... my point is that the NCAA is on a slippery slope, and them establishing this precedent is a scary thought...

Honestly I don't have a problem with that. Assholes at Penn State for real. Their student body sucks.
 
I really don't get the "everyone that they're punishing had nothing to do with it" argument. So, should the NCAA use that rational and move along as if nothing happened? I don't get that line of thinking. I don't agree with killing an entire season and I doubt that will happen. I see some bowl bans, some lose of schollies, etc. The community of PSU will have to deal with it, but football will still be played, tickets can still be sold and businesses can still profit off of fans going to the games. If businesses suffer than fans obviously weren't as loyal as they thought.

It is unfortunate the actions of a few can influence the lives of many, but as is life and life goes on.
 
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