Replacement Ref Discussion Thread - Deal Reached, Will Work Thursday

[Champ]

Get this situated before the Giants vs Panthers game on Thursday come on NFL.


I know it wont happen before then but you can't blame a guy for wishing.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Everyone: The replacement refs suck and are hurting the games.

W2B: Everyone is exaggerating, the scab refs are not that different from regular refs. Oh by the way, this game is extremely hard to referee.

OK.

Where did I say I didn't want the regular officials back?

I'm not losing sleep over the replacements and think the issues are overblown. That's all.

 

[MrBill]

Let's not forget that the call he 'blew' was the rule at the time and the NFL adjusted the rules accordingly the following season.

I dont think this is right.

I think Mr.Bill is referring to the backwards pass that was called incomplete, when it should have been ruled a live ball & fumble recovery. A backwards pass has always been a live ball.

Cutler clearly lost the ball and had an "empty hand" when his arm went forward and the Chargers recovered the fumble and should have won the game on the spot. Instead it was ruled an incomplete pass and the Broncos retained possession and scored a TD to win the game.

 

[ram29jackson]

LOL at whoever in the summer thought this would be no big deal.

I said games would be longer etc.

this is like when you get a substitute teacher. Theres no respect and plenty of kaos.

you know its bad when play by play guys are criticizing them in the middle of games LOL without worrying that the league will give them a call for doing it.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

OK.

Where did I say I didn't want the regular officials back?

I'm not losing sleep over the replacements and think the issues are overblown. That's all.

Yes i know we all want the regular refs back, i didnt word my question in a troll-proof way, my apologies.

Still, most fans say its a big deal to have scab refs, you do not. If the game is extremely difficult to ref like you just stated, then having the regular refs is important (aka a big deal).

 

[Jayrock]

Yes i know we all want the regular refs back, i didnt word my question in a troll-proof way, my apologies.

Still, most fans say its a big deal to have scab refs, you do not. If the game is extremely difficult to ref like you just stated, then having the regular refs is important (aka a big deal).

fuck purdue

 

[Glenbino]

Cutler clearly lost the ball and had an "empty hand" when his arm went forward and the Chargers recovered the fumble and should have won the game on the spot. Instead it was ruled an incomplete pass and the Broncos retained possession and scored a TD to win the game.

That's still one instance from 4 years ago compared to a whole page of videos of referee mistakes from week 1 alone..

 

[NAHSTE]

That's still one instance from 4 years ago compared to a whole page of videos of referee mistakes from week 1 alone..

Right, just one instance. Clearly it's the only highly publicized officiating gaffe that has occurred until 2012.

:dd:

 

[Sven Draconian]

I have never been to, seen or been involved with any level of sports (including working as an official) that both teams did not complain about the officials constantly. It's the nature of sports.

I don't mind the replacement officials at all. I like that they are letting more stuff go (especially with regards to DBs and hits on the QB). This is anecdotal, but I have seen far fewer drives "saved" by defensive penalties. This is especially true with regards to horse collar penalties (a silly rule that is an extreme over-reaction to one incident), roughing the QBs (again, silly) and illegal contact (A ridiculous rule that carries a much to stringent penalty).

**For the record I am fine with a lot of the hit to the head rules, they could use some tweaking. My issue is with penalties related to "driving" the QB into the ground, hitting him too low or accidentally swiping your hand across his helmet**

The only real problem I have with the replacement officials is they are terrible at announcing the penalties (Infraction, Jersey Number, Yardage, resultent down).

 

[Glenbino]

Right, just one instance. Clearly it's the only highly publicized officiating gaffe that has occurred until 2012.

:dd:

It's the one that keeps getting referenced here.. My bad for responding to it in kind?

If you have a page full of videos of refs making mistakes I'm all for watching it. But I am remiss to remember such widespread criticism of the officials.

When the great protector of the shield, ESPN, doesn't even have your back anymore something is wrong.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That's still one instance from 4 years ago compared to a whole page of videos of referee mistakes from week 1 alone..

Glen, most of the 21 Week 1 "mistakes" from that Deadspin article are of the mundane variety. From missed PI calls, to utter nonsense like announcing the wrong player for an offsides penalty.

Before Locker got knocked out of the game, he and the Tennessee offense had their opening drive killed when Jerry Frump's crew missed clear defensive pass interference in the end zone.

This one's a bit worse, as it set up the Jags' eventual tying touchdown. Watch No. 84 at the bottom of the screen, as he's flagged for an illegal block below the waist despite clearly hitting the Jags player legally.

Bears cornerback Tim Jennings is rewarded for a fantastic and legal defensive play by being called for pass interference.

Just one gripe about this game, though it's a big one. Julio Jones made a touchdown catch that should have been brought back for pass interference, but the play was missed by Mike Shepherd's crew.

Another good defensive play flagged for pass interference.

I'll stop there. You can nit pick and do this any week, any season, real refs or scabs. YAWN.

Then there is this:

Both teams took equal punishment from referee Kent Roan and his crew. Here's Roan penalizing the wrong player for being offside, an extremely simple penalty but a mistake that wasn't corrected (thus being a permanent, and unfair, mark against Winn's record).

LOL @ Deadpsin making as issue of this one. This happens all the time, and does not effect the outcome of the game in any way. Who gives a fuck? This is the reaching i'm talking about, stuff we only care about because its the evil scab officials who are really stupid and dumb.

And finally, this:

There is an ineligible interior lineman downfield two yards from the line of scrimmage at the time the pass is thrown. (Admittedly, it's not his fault, but rules are rules.) This touchdown won the game for the Lions, who have Donovan Briggans's crew to thank for the victory.

This one was the Rams game, and I heard a bunch of goofball Rams fans complaining about it. The Lions lineman never made contact with a defensive player while beyond the line of scrimmage, so there is no penalty here. Again, people looking for things to bitch about when nothing is there.

There are a few legit LOL worthy mistakes in that article, but most of it is the same shit you see with the supposedly awesome real officials. Deadspin was really reaching with most of these, here.

 

[Glenbino]

I have never been to, seen or been involved with any level of sports (including working as an official) that both teams did not complain about the officials constantly. It's the nature of sports.

I don't mind the replacement officials at all. I like that they are letting more stuff go (especially with regards to DBs and hits on the QB). This is anecdotal, but I have seen far fewer drives "saved" by defensive penalties. This is especially true with regards to horse collar penalties (a silly rule that is an extreme over-reaction to one incident), roughing the QBs (again, silly) and illegal contact (A ridiculous rule that carries a much to stringent penalty).

**For the record I am fine with a lot of the hit to the head rules, they could use some tweaking. My issue is with penalties related to "driving" the QB into the ground, hitting him too low or accidentally swiping your hand across his helmet**

The only real problem I have with the replacement officials is they are terrible at announcing the penalties (Infraction, Jersey Number, Yardage, resultent down).

Just because you are okay with these calls not being made doesn't take them out of the rulebook. The rules are there to provide consistency to the games and across the board.

Just because a couple of people subjectively think the games are moving along smoother, a point I feel is silly after a weekend where we had two games in the four hour range, doesn't make it ok that refs aren't calling penalties which are outlined and have been hammered home to players and coaches for years now.

Guys don't know what to expect from one play to the next and it leads to frustration, fights and delays.

 

[Glenbino]

Glen, most of the 21 Week 1 "mistakes" from that Deadspin article are of the mundane variety. From missed PI calls, to utter nonsense like announcing the wrong player for an offsides penalty.











I'll stop there. You can nit pick and do this any week, any season, real refs or scabs. YAWN.

Then there is this:



LOL @ Deadpsin making as issue of this one. This happens all the time, and does not effect the outcome of the game in any way. Who gives a fuck? This is the reaching i'm talking about, stuff we only care about because its the evil scab officials who are really stupid and dumb.

And finally, this:



This one was the Rams game, and I heard a bunch of goofball Rams fans complaining about it. The Lions lineman never made contact with a defensive player while beyond the line of scrimmage, so there is no penalty here. Again, people looking for things to bitch about when nothing is there.

There are a few legit LOL worthy mistakes in that article, but most of it is the same shit you see with the supposedly awesome real officials. Deadspin was really reaching with most of these, here.

I

Knowing the difference between a spot of the foul PI call and a 5 yard illegal contact penalty is a pretty big deal in my opinion. I would agree the players numbers on a penalty are no big deal but I have a problem with the refs costing and awarding teams time outs in the last five minutes of close games. Maybe I'm just a stickler....

 

[NAHSTE]

It's the one that keeps getting referenced here.. My bad for responding to it in kind?

If you have a page full of videos of refs making mistakes I'm all for watching it.

I'm not going to compile that, and you are not going to watch it, but we both know a compilation of terrible officiating gaffes could easily be assembled from any given season.

 

[Glenbino]

I'm not going to compile that, and you are not going to watch it, but we both know a compilation of terrible officiating gaffes could easily be assembled from any given season.

These guys did it in a week... A year long compilation would require a box set at this rate.

 

[MrBill]

That's still one instance from 4 years ago compared to a whole page of videos of referee mistakes from week 1 alone..

The only reason I brought that one up is because it involved a tenured referee clearly costing a team a win. That is a lot bigger than calling out the wrong jersey number or missing a PI or holding call.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

These guys did it in a week... A year long compilation would require a box set at this rate.

Hopefully Deadspin will scrutinize the real refs in the same microscopic fashion. I'm confident it wouldn't show a huge difference, aside from the silly inexcusable gaffs like bad spots after penalties, etc.

Again, that Seahawks extra timeout mistake has been made by the holier than thou real officials something like 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years. These things happen, football is clouded with way too many rules.

 

[Acesuper]

One minute you stroking it to Lesbian porn and working at Pep Boys, the next you reffing the first Monday night game of the season. Now that I thought about it a little more, these refs just need to take a deep breath, get lower and stick with what they see. Block out the crowd, use that confidence rating and make some calls baby.

 

[Len B]

I take everything I hear from the players/coaches with a huge grain of salt. This story either sounds made up, or the ref joking and McCoy using it as a reason to get rid of refs.

Bad calls are going to happen, so that's not really a viable way for the players/coaches to flex their muscle and get the old officials back. They can, however, challenge the integrity of the game to get the old officials back. The last thing the NFL wants, with Vegas making so much money on the NFL, is to have a Tim Donaghy scenario.

This really seems like a power move by McCoy, to question the integrity of the game and force Goodell to address it. Not saying it didn't happen, but I'm quick to reserve judgement on this one.

 

[ram29jackson]

officiating can decide the outcome of games = I dont want rookie scabs/refs making those decisions.

this commissioner is trying to be/come off as inovative and ground breaking..but ultimately making a joke of the league because he figures star power matters more than organizational qualiity