Rice says Randy Moss’ laziness was like a ‘slap in the face'

[bucky]

I would guess if I comprised an NBA basketball team with a bunch of 6 foot white guys who hustled all the time, eventually no one would pay to watch them play, because they would be 0-82 every year.

Very true.

 

[bucky]

I'm not trolling, you simply don't understand what you're paying for.

I do understand what I'm paying for. The question really is, am I getting what I'm paying for from the Organization, Coaches, Athletes.

You WANT them to win but that's not what you are paying for.

I do want them to win, and I pay to see then try and win. I sure don't pay to see them not try and win.

Yeah bucky, we're both just "trolling" because you can't accept you're flat out fucking wrong on this one. Whatever gramps, if you're going to be a whiny bitch that's going to play the "you're trollin" card cause you are out of ammo then you can debate with somebody else.

I'm not flat out wrong, I'm not out of ammo, and I honestly thought you two were trolling. That's what VSN/VSD does. Now I'm just shocked that the two of you are actually serious.

Players absolutely owe fans honest effort.
to say athletes owe the fans nothing in terms of effort is absurd.

This.

 

[Saluki]

Honestly tho, if im watching a game, if a WR doesn't block for 10-15 plays, but catches 3TDs, i'm going to feel like i got my entertainment value more than if he blocks for 20 plays but doesn't catch any TDs.

 

[bucky]

Honestly tho, if im watching a game, if a WR doesn't block for 10-15 plays, but catches 3TDs, i'm going to feel like i got my entertainment value more than if he blocks for 20 plays but doesn't catch any TDs.

What if one of those 20 blocks he didn't make would have gone for a TD and put your team in the SB?

What about blocking for 20 plays and catching 3 TD's.

 

[NAHSTE]

What if one of those 20 blocks he didn't make would have gone for a TD and put your team in the SB?

What about blocking for 20 plays and catching 3 TD's.

I don't think you would like it if they told you how to engineer software.

 

[killgod]

I do understand what I'm paying for. The question really is, am I getting what I'm paying for from the Organization, Coaches, Athletes.

If you understand what you're paying for, why are you paying for an athlete YOU FUCKING KNOW doesn't play his hardest every night? Sounds like you either don't know what you are paying for or might be retarded...you decide.

I do want them to win, and I pay to see then try and win. I sure don't pay to see them not try and win.

Then you're not spending your money wisely if you don't understand what you're paying for.

This is entertainment, you are paying to be entertained. Wins are just a bonus but not part of the purchase price because they are not guaranteed. So no, you aren't paying for wins.

I'm not flat out wrong, I'm not out of ammo, and I honestly thought you two were trolling. That's what VSN/VSD does. Now I'm just shocked that the two of you are actually serious.

Still wrong.

This.

What about this? Players give you effort, not wins. How the fuck does that support your argument?

If a player gives you 90% effort, then stop paying to watch that player or shut the fuck up. You're paying to watch him entertain you and if 90% of his effort isn't entertaining, move along. How many times must this be repeated?

 

[Esjay]

Why does Rice care? It's not like he put in all those hours of work and got a journeyman career out of it. You're considered by nearly everyone to be the best wide receiver ever. Fuck Randy Moss, be happy with that.

 

[bucky]

I don't think you would like it if they told you how to engineer software.

But if I'm lazy and cheat my company, I get fired. As far as the Packers go, I own stock, so I technically can tell them, since they work for me. Since I don't work for them, they wouldn't be telling me anything about engineering software.

I'm no just an owner, I'm also a customer of the NFL and Packers. Watching the NFL on TV, paying for tickets at the stadium, and buying NFL gear pays the players salaries. We as customers have a right to have reasonable expectations on the product. As they say, the customer is always right. So I do have the right to have certain expectations. And that would be that the organization, coaches and players are giving their best effort to win.

 

[Saluki]

What if one of those 20 blocks he didn't make would have gone for a TD and put your team in the SB?

What about blocking for 20 plays and catching 3 TD's.

I'm just talking about your average game. Course it WOULD be better for his team if he blocks for 20 plays and catches 3TDs, but he didn't, and i ain't mad at him because he did the main thing a WR is supposed to do. Score points......course he was never on any team i rooted for, i'm sure i would have been pissed if he was not blocking and shit for the bears.

 

[NAHSTE]

But if I'm lazy and cheat my company, I get fired. As far as the Packers go, I own stock, so I technically can tell them, since they work for me. Since I don't work for them, they wouldn't be telling me anything about engineering software.

I'm no just an owner, I'm also a customer of the NFL and Packers. Watching the NFL on TV, paying for tickets at the stadium, and buying NFL gear pays the players salaries. We as customers have a right to have reasonable expectations on the product. As they say, the customer is always right. So I do have the right to have certain expectations. And that would be that the organization, coaches and players are giving their best effort to win.

You also have the right not to pay for the product if you don't like it. Moss doesn't owe you shit, and neither does any other NFL player.

 

[bucky]

If you understand what you're paying for, why are you paying for an athlete YOU FUCKING KNOW doesn't play his hardest every night? Sounds like you either don't know what you are paying for or might be retarded...you decide.

Other than TV revenues, I haven't been paying for Randy Moss. And I'm paying for the GM's and Coaches to get rid of the ones that lack the required effort. So I'd say your options are incomplete and you need to add another one (Does know what you are paying for).

Then you're not spending your money wisely if you don't understand what you're paying for.

I do understand what I'm paying for.

This is entertainment, you are paying to be entertained. Wins are just a bonus but not part of the purchase price because they are not guaranteed. So no, you aren't paying for wins.

I'm entertained by them WINNING. I'm not entertained by them LOSING. Wins are not a bonus. They are an expectation, an expectation that the team is doing their best to provide a win. Now you may be entertained by LOSING. I'm not sure normal fans are.

What about this? Players give you effort, not wins. How the fuck does that support your argument?

It's the players effort that contributes to wins or there lack thereof that contributes to loses. Or are you just not smart enough to realize that.

If a player gives you 90% effort, then stop paying to watch that player or shut the fuck up. You're paying to watch him entertain you and if 90% of his effort isn't entertaining, move along. How many times must this be repeated?

I'm entertained by the team winning. If the player is only giving 70% effort, I'm NOT entertained by that. I don't pay to watch even 90% effort. I pay to see their best effort. Their effort, leading to wins is what's entertaining. That's why losing teams have empty stadiums and winning teams have full stadiums. Either you understand this concept or you might be retarded, you decide.:smug:

 

[bucky]

You also have the right not to pay for the product if you don't like it. Moss doesn't owe you shit, and neither does any other NFL player.

I try not to pay for Randy Moss. But Minny fans have a right to feel cheated. He absolutely does owe his teammates and fans a better effort.

So are you not trolling, like KG isn't trolling?

 

[NAHSTE]

I try not to pay for Randy Moss. But Minny fans have a right to feel cheated. He absolutely does owe his teammates and fans a better effort.

So are you not trolling, like KG isn't trolling?

I am not trolling. Moss does not owe anyone in Minnesota anything, he gave them some great years and some great moments. Do you think Minnesota would have rather had some no talent ass clown in his place? "This guy sucks, but at least his try rate is higher than the best WR in franchise history!"

I was actually talking to a kid from Minnesota at work the day he retired and he sounded pretty glowing in his memories. He didn't once say "yeah but if only he tried more".

 

[bucky]

I am not trolling. Moss does not owe anyone in Minnesota anything, he gave them some great years and some great moments. Do you think Minnesota would have rather had some no talent ass clown in his place?

I would think they would want there players go give them the best chance to win and bring back a championship. Why does it have to be a good lazy player vs a no talent ass clown? How about a good player that's not lazy. Yeah, I think if Minny fans had a choice between a good lazy player and a good high effort player, they would prefer the good high effort guy. Common sense.

Are you saying that Minny fans would prefer a good lazy player? over a good high effort guy?

Or wouldn't Minny fans prefer a high effort Moss over a lazy Moss?

I guess that's why Minny hasn't won a SB, they just don't care to.

 

[The Messenger]

As if Rice is defending himself. He's putting out the message that young players should work harder. The greatest wide receiver of all time complimented Randy Moss by saying that if he just put in the work he would have re-written the history books.

How does this go against Rice? If there's one thing he's entitled to talk about, it's how to play receiver in the NFL. He's the Godfather. Moss doesn't have to listen. At this point, it doesn't matter. Rice is letting the young guys out there know that they will be better off if they give it their all. Why is everyone so up in arms about that?

Wasn't Randy Moss upset that he didn't get what he felt he deserved in the bank account from the Pats? Because he had those couple of great seasons and thought he should be back making what he used to. And they basically shunned him and said, "nah it's all good, we got Brady and you aren't shit." He could have given his all on the Raiders and walked away with another nice pay day on a team where he could really say he made the offense go. That's what Moss wanted. Instead, he ends up retiring because no one believes he can be THE GUY anymore. And it's wrong for Rice to point out that Moss had all the talent, but his work ethic left much to be desired?

I know he's piling on, but he's hardly out of line.

 

[s@ppisgod]

Why does Rice care? It's not like he put in all those hours of work and got a journeyman career out of it. You're considered by nearly everyone to be the best wide receiver ever. Fuck Randy Moss, be happy with that.

I'm sure Rice is happy with his career. This has nothing to do with his accomplishments.
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[ryne candy]

Sidenote: ESPN hiring Rice is going to end up E. Smith 2.

 

[bucky]

every single vikings fan i know--> LOVES randy 'straight cash homie' moss.

Like I said above, if they are happy with lazy, then I guess there happy not winning. Probably why they have no real NFL/SB championships. I mean, losing in the SB really doesn't count as wining the championship.

Most fans want there team to win.

 

[ralaw]

Moss not only didn't give full effort, but he also quit on plays and on his team multiple times. As I've said before I don't know what it is about Moss, but I've never seen an athlete be apathetic, not give full effort and quit on his team and people still love him and want him on their team. It amazes me because typically those are attributes that fans despise.

I say this because people in this thread calling out Rice? Give me a break.

 

[dope]

i was never pissed at randy for his "play when i want to" attitude nor was i pissed he never won a sb while with minnesota, cause it's not all on his shoulder's. if your expecting your wideout who might touch the ball 5-10 times a game to win your team a sb you're looking at the wrong player.

the reason minnesota never made or won a sb while he was there, is cause of shitty coaching, smoke and mirrors defense, a revolving door of qb's, and a missed fg. not his lack of effort.