Ryan Braun wins appeal of positive test for PEDs. Gob rejoices, MM still banned

[Bigpapa42]

At this point the whole situation just looks bad. It looked bad for MLB when the reigning NL MVP tested positive but they really aren't looking better at this point. Braun doesn't look much better at this point than before. Baseball is still sitting under the whole Steroid Era shadow and this is the kind of situation it really didn't need. Maybe more stuff comes out later that massively alters the perception that this is leaving behind... but I have my doubts...

 

[FirstTimer]

There's so much "source says this" "source says that" BS that until we somehow get our hands on the transcripts of the arb hearings or have access to the written ruling..we all don't really know shit.

 

[FirstTimer]

MLB looks fucking terrible in this too as the initial leak about the test came from their office. I promise you the players union will hold that over their head in future testing discussions and bargaining.

 

[FedEx227]

MLB looks fucking terrible in this too as the initial leak about the test came from their office. I promise you the players union will hold that over their head in future testing discussions and bargaining.

I said this from the beginning.

Everyone kept saying "ESPN REPORTED IT!" which I know, but it should've never, ever, ever leaked out in the first place. That's gross misconduct on their end.

 

[FedEx227]

In a way it's MLB puffing their chest to show how well their testing worked, how they've moved on so well from the steroid era, etc, etc. when in the end it's going to look like the joke it actually is.

 

[FirstTimer]

Warner where'd you read about the guy ruling 12-0 in favor of the players? If that's teh case Braun can't be the first player to win an appeal.

 

[FirstTimer]

Reading about some previous cases(Manny) there are B samples involved but it appears they aren't taken at the same time as the A sample?

Fuck this all. MLB fucked this one up hard with the leak. Now all the info the public needs is under lock and key and we have to deal with Mike Golic and his "sources"

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't understand why MLB would decline a voluntary DNA sample.. Especially in such a high profile case in which they had leaked the name and knew from the get-go would be appealed.

That was grandstanding by Braun. If you read the article, he backdd off of that offer at some point.

Gee, I wonder why.

Look, Braun knows the sample is legit. He isnt fighting the science, hes fighting the process.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I have no problem with the leak, tbh. I thknk Brain is full of shit, and it would have all come out anyway. That part is overblown.

 

[FirstTimer]

That was grandstanding by Braun. If you read the article, he backdd off of that offer at some point.

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According to some mysterious source of Mike Golic's and apparently no one else.

No one knows shit here.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Warner where'd you read about the guy ruling 12-0 in favor of the players? If that's teh case Braun can't be the first player to win an appeal.

I had it backwards.

This guy has actually ruled in favor of the union 12-0, which some are saying is the reason he went the other way on this one, because he was starting to look biased.

To me, that's a gigantic leap that i do not buy.


Anyway, the sample never left Braun's sight and was sealed in three places. One, the sample itself. Two, the bag the sample was placed in. And three, the box the bag containing the sample was placed in. The lab has to report on the condition of the seals upon arrival, and reported the seals as being in "pristine" condition. So if the idea that this collector intentionally tampered with the sample as Braun has insinuated isn't ridiculous enough, well, we can reasonably put that bullshit to bed.

I also heard a testing expert as a guest on a radio show today. He was asked if these types of tests are 99.9% accurate. His response was one word, "higher".

The bottom line, is if Braun could have argued about the legitimacy of the sample or the results, he would have. He argued the process, not the science, and the supposed break in the chain of custody (which may not have been broken, and is why MLB is waiting for the arbitrators report and may take this to court). He looked for the loophole, because that's all he had.

Personally, I believe that was his piss, I believe the results, and the only thing that can change my mind is the lab admitting a goof (would have happened by now) or the .00000001% chance that the collector is not only the world's greatest seal breaker, but also had the motive to frame Ryan Braun. Sounds preposterous to me.

 

[FirstTimer]

I had it backwards.

This guy has actually ruled in favor of the union 12-0, which some are saying is the reason he went the other way on this one, because he was starting to look biased.

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You mean the MLB?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You mean the MLB?

LOL, god damn it, yes.

 

[FedEx227]

Warner messing up worse than the MLB testing process.

TOPICAL!

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Well, the MLB has fired back with their statement.

They contend that the arbitrator ruled that the collector broke the chain of custody by taking the sample home, but that taking the sample home was not a break in the chain of custody according to the collective bargaining agreement.

So basically, the MLB says the arbitartors ruling was based on falsely interpreting the policy.

They also reiterated that Braun never challenged the science or the validity of the sample in the appeal. Well, duh. Clearly that stuff is for public consumption, because Braun really has no leg to stand on in that regard.

When the arbitrators report comes out, some of this will be cleared up.

 

[Goober]

Warner where'd you read about the guy ruling 12-0 in favor of the players? If that's teh case Braun can't be the first player to win an appeal.

I know he ruled in favor of John Rocker back in the day, but that wasn't a steroid issue.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I know he ruled in favor of John Rocker back in the day, but that wasn't a steroid issue.

Yeah, the 12-0 in favor of the MLB is in relation to PED testing issues only.

 

[Goober]

Tom ‏ @Haudricourt

Union statement says confident leak didn't come from MLB, union or anyone with drug program. By inference, that only leaves Braun's camp.

Tom ‏ @Haudricourt

I have been told by someone from Braun's side that they didn't leak the test results. So, who the heck did? Everybody is claiming innocence.

Unfortunately this is the story of the year in sports, no?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Unfortunately this is the story of the year in sports, no?

Thankfully, something happened, and LINSANITY has been overtaken.

 

[EmpireWF]

Roids in baseball? Alert the press.

The previous decades have been littered with them, its part of the sports fabric. Only thing that pisses me off is when guys try to lie about it. No one cares, just tell the truth and move the fuck on.

As long as MLB doesn't sue, Braun doesn't tear a muscle or totally tank this season, this will be forgotten come May.