Sean Payton Suspended 1 Year, Saints Lose Pair of 2nd Round Picks

[Tailback U]

Might be the dumbest generalization I've ever read on VSN. Congrats.

Not saying every single NFL athlete is, but there are more then plenty of these idiots in the NFL.

What do you think all these guys are all like Teddy Bruschi? You think these guys are scholars? Please. There's a reason a lot of these guys are constantly in trouble with the law.

And just so you know, I'm moreso talking about defensive players.

For every stand up guy like London Fletcher, there is at least one or two morons like Rey Mauluaga who has been arrested several times for beating up civilians, or Brian Cushing who has been busted for roids, or or Jonathon Vilma's who puts the bounty on the table.

Quit being so fucking naive. There are some really good guys in the NFL, but to act like they are all saints (no pun intended) is so fucking naive and dumb.

 

[kyhadley]

Quit being so fucking naive. There are some really good guys in the NFL, but to act like they are all saints (no pun intended) is so fucking naive and dumb.

So basically you're saying NFL players are a good representative of the general population where there are both good and bad people, that makes sense. It also kind of ruins your argument that they're all out for blood.

 

[Tailback U]

So basically you're saying NFL players are a good representative of the general population where there are both good and bad people, that makes sense. It also kind of ruins your argument that they're all out for blood.

I never once said that they are all out for blood. You fail at reading comprehension.

Secondly, the NFL is nothing like the general population. Maybe more like prison general population.

99% of the NFL consists of physical specimens who have more testosterone than the average male. They are wired differently. Some of the guys are really smart, some of them are really dumb.

What do you think happens when some of them are out for blood and some of them aren't? That type of attitude is contagious. You can't snitch or tell on them or tell them to stop. They just return the favor and it becomes widespread.

 

[Houston]

Amazing how easy it is for Tailback U to constantly contradict himself inside of the same post.

it's a violent game and guys are out to hurt each other

You're not trying to hurt them but you want to make sure that receiver thinks twice before catching a ball in your zone.

I mean...am I missing something here? I'd like to put away the groans and handle this like a sensible person, but with post like this how is that possible?

 

[Tailback U]

Amazing how easy it is for Tailback U to constantly contradict himself inside of the same post.





I mean...am I missing something here? I'd like to put away the groans and handle this like a sensible person, but with post like this how is that possible?

I meant injure in the second post. Sue me.

 

[Liquidrob]

you guys disect it to much, but you really can't because all this shit happens so fast

Tom Jackson contradicted himself when all this first came out, paraphrasing of course

"I never tried to hurt someone....every time I hit someone I wanted to hurt them..." and thats what you hear a lot from the players

Than you have many guys say the same stuff Tailback is saying, listening to Mike Golic this morning "Every play I tried to hit someone as hard as a can, every play"

 

[kyhadley]

I never once said that they are all out for blood. You fail at reading comprehension.

Secondly, the NFL is nothing like the general population. Maybe more like prison general population.

99% of the NFL consists of physical specimens who have more testosterone than the average male. They are wired differently. Some of the guys are really smart, some of them are really dumb.

What do you think happens when some of them are out for blood and some of them aren't? That type of attitude is contagious. You can't snitch or tell on them or tell them to stop. They just return the favor and it becomes widespread.

You literally just said how there are some really good guys and some bad guys in the NFL, which to me sounds exactly like the general population. And as an aside, how are you so in touch with NFL population, because you played football in high school?

Also, they are not producing more testosterone than the average male, that is just not biologically correct.

As for the bolded, you're saying you never said they were all out for blood...then that they in fact are all out for blood?

 

[Houston]

I meant injure in the second post. Sue me.

So I'll ask once again...what's the point of having the bounties in the first place? Why put money on the table for injuries if players aren't gonna try and injure one another?

Either their logic is flawed, or your argument is. I think we all kno...excuse me, all of us with brains know which one it is.

 

[Tailback U]

You literally just said how there are some really good guys and some bad guys in the NFL, which to me sounds exactly like the general population. And as an aside, how are you so in touch with NFL population, because you played football in high school?

Also, they are not producing more testosterone than the average male, that is just not biologically correct.

As for the bolded, you're saying you never said they were all out for blood...then that they in fact are all out for blood?

First of all you dont know what you are even talking about. If you tested the NfL players testosterone levels they would be higher than the average males. The average range for testosterone is around 200-800 nmol/L. I'd bet good money that they are closer to 800 than 200 and that most average males who aren't athletes are closer to 200.

Its common sense. These guys are more aggressive and physical than the average males, you don't need to be a fucking scientist to see that.

I'll just point to the dozens of current and former NFl players that have the same attitude that liquidrob cited in his post. I'm done trying to explain to you guys that these gorillas love knocking the piss out of each other.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

As an aside, I think Warren Sapp shoulda been fired from NFL Network...well, I've been thinking that for awhile (pretty much since he was brought on), but this crap with tainting a player's name on the air by labeling him a "snitch" is complete bullshit, true or not.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Sometimes I have no idea why these things go the way they do lol.

I cant fathom arguing the NFL is reflective of the general population. TBU is right these guys are a bunch of wild nut jobs especially on defense. You have to be on some level to slam your body into another guy for a living. I understand completely what hes saying in regards to that desire to inflict pain. I wanted guys to tear up and not want to go my way..as a WR I wanted LBers worried sick that I was going to smash there facemask in on a run play.

BUT

I didnt want to tear an ACL , have a guy put in the hospital , or anything else serious. Im sure thats how most NFL defenders go about there business. Theres a difference between making a guy wince , fear me ,inflicting pain ......and causing injury.

Bounties skew that line. If you realize these guys are that crazy and driven to hurt all the more reason NOT to give them outside financial reasons to occasionally go that extra mile.

 

[red33]

just watched a nfl films on mark bravaro and he mentioned something thts relevant.

he said how he hated buddy ryan and wanted to kill him. when asked why Bravaro replied cause hes a bad guy and he put bounties on every good player.

 

[shag773]

just watched a nfl films on mark bravaro and he mentioned something thts relevant.

he said how he hated buddy ryan and wanted to kill him. when asked why Bravaro replied cause hes a bad guy and he put bounties on every good player.

Yeah he loved sticking it to us, he hated the Eagles.....so much that he ended his career here....as an Eagle, not on the Vet turf like Michael Irvin..:smug:

 

[Senser81]

I played football in college

What college? Who was your coach?

I am amazed at the number of ex-college football players we have on this board, yet its nearly impossible to "talk football" with half the clowns in this forum.

 

[FirstTimer]

What college? Who was your coach?

I am amazed at the number of ex-college football players we have on this board, yet its nearly impossible to "talk football" with half the clowns in this forum.

CTE is real

 

[Maynard]

Amazing how easy it is for Tailback U to constantly contradict himself inside of the same post.





I mean...am I missing something here? I'd like to put away the groans and handle this like a sensible person, but with post like this how is that possible?

yes its a contradiction....same as Tom Jacksons comments. But what they mean is that they want to hurt them, but they are not trying to hurt them

they are not going out of their way to try and injure someone, but through the course of action, if someone gets injured....then thats great

thats why this bounty thing is so stupid. the NFL is punishing the saints because they paid players to try and injure the other teams stars. And thats fine, they are guilty and what they did was wrong and they are being punished...so be it.

my whole issue is that every team does this, they just dont pay players to do it. the saints could have just as easily not paid players and just said, i want every one of you to focus on knocking so and so out of the game.

players dont have to hit hard, they can make tackles without unleashing devastating hits. The choose to hit hard because that is how the game was meant to be played and how players have been coached since pee wee football

people like FT say its wrong and shouldnt be allowed. Well the NFL agrees with you. thats why you have this pussy era that will carry us for the next 10-20 years.

 

[Tailback U]

What college? Who was your coach?

I am amazed at the number of ex-college football players we have on this board, yet its nearly impossible to "talk football" with half the clowns in this forum.

A shitty junior college called West Valley in Saratoga, CA. Nothing special. I only played 1 year before hanging em up.

Highlight of JC football was playing CCSF which was always the top ranked junior college in the nation. Those mfers wanted to murder us and they basically did, beating us like 54-6 and injuring several of our players.

It's surprising to me that you guys never played against a team that made it clear that they wanted to hurt you and would talk shit to you after hurting you or your teammate. That was common when I played, even in high school.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

So I'll ask once again...what's the point of having the bounties in the first place? Why put money on the table for injuries if players aren't gonna try and injure one another?

Either their logic is flawed, or your argument is.

Obviously the players logic is whats flawed.

The bounties were also for big hits. So are you seriously going to make the case that players wouldnt be motivated to make big hits if it wasnt for the measly bounties? That would be incredibly retarded.

 

[FirstTimer]

Obviously the players logic is whats flawed.

The bounties were also for big hits. So are you seriously going to make the case that players wouldnt be motivated to make big hits if it wasnt for the measly bounties? That would be incredibly retarded.

So you're seriously going to think that players weren't motivated to injure specific players because of the bounties?

As equally retarded..as usual for you.

You seriously don't think players were more motivated to make "big hits" when there was money attached to them? If they weren't more motivated because of the bounty there would be no reason to have the bounty to begin with..b/c the bounty would serve no purpose. The bounties obviously served a purpose and worked if the entire Saints team not only bought into it...but tried to hide it. If there is nothing "wrong" about a bounty program and it doesn't serve to add any real motivation the Saints or a player would come out and say it be like "no big fucking deal"...but that's not happening because players know it works, know it influences them, and know why it's illegal.

 

[FirstTimer]

BRB gonna go watch NFL games where when player is laying motionless on ground other team rather than praying is jumping around and making it rain on the player who made the hit.