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The 2011 Tim Tebow Tracking Thread
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I was expecting Tebow had a big game running but i think he only had 44 rushing yards. I guess hes just a "winner".
Tebow inspires the defense to play better.
Warner2BruceTD
2011 Poster Of The Year
I just shake my head.
People consumed with statistics just don't get it and clearly never will.
It's like I said pages ago in this thread, it's not about statistics with Tebow. He will never have good looking statistics. He is the most unique player the league has seen in decades. He plays the QB position in such a way that evaluating him on stats makes no sense. Half the plays Denver runs with Tebow are designed QB runs. The passing plays are single read with one check down. He will never go 25-31 with 350 yards. The offense is not designed that way, and frankly, he cant do that anyway.
Bottom line is he produces TD's at a better than average rate, doesn't turn the ball over, and the team is 3-1. Kyle f'n Orton can throw for 300 meanigless yards all game long, but if he fails to get the team in the end zone, and turns the ball over, the team loses.
TD's + no TO's = wins. Doesn't matter how you achieve that.
...and anyone who fails to buy into the idea that a player can have a winning intangible, or that a player can make people around him better & play harder, has never played competitive sports.
People consumed with statistics just don't get it and clearly never will.
It's like I said pages ago in this thread, it's not about statistics with Tebow. He will never have good looking statistics. He is the most unique player the league has seen in decades. He plays the QB position in such a way that evaluating him on stats makes no sense. Half the plays Denver runs with Tebow are designed QB runs. The passing plays are single read with one check down. He will never go 25-31 with 350 yards. The offense is not designed that way, and frankly, he cant do that anyway.
Bottom line is he produces TD's at a better than average rate, doesn't turn the ball over, and the team is 3-1. Kyle f'n Orton can throw for 300 meanigless yards all game long, but if he fails to get the team in the end zone, and turns the ball over, the team loses.
TD's + no TO's = wins. Doesn't matter how you achieve that.
...and anyone who fails to buy into the idea that a player can have a winning intangible, or that a player can make people around him better & play harder, has never played competitive sports.
There is a difference between not having good statistics, and having fucking abysmal statistics where you only complete 2 passes.
Even if you add all his rushing yards it still doesnt come close to the yardage Orton was producing passing.
The team is winning because its running the ball well & playing good defense, not because of Tebow.
Warner2BruceTD
2011 Poster Of The Year
Who cares?
Tebow: 7 passing TD's, 2 rushing TD's, 1 two-pt conversion. 1 INT, 0 lost fumbles. 56 points produced, ONE turnover.
Orton: 8 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's, 0 two-pt conversions. 7 INT's, 0 lost fumbles. 48 points produced, SEVEN turnovers.
Tebow: 3-1
Orton: 1-4
Are you really going to argue in favor of something like more passing yards?
And don't you think the reason Denver is giving up less points might have to do with the fact that they aren't turning the ball over anymore?
And the reason they arent turning the ball over anymore is because they arent even attempting the forward pass anymore. They would have the same record with Orton if they were as committed & successful with the running game.
Warner2BruceTD
2011 Poster Of The Year
And let's not forget that Tebow is working without Brandon Lloyd and is down to his 4th string HB. And STILL outproducing Orton.
Look, people can root against Tebow if they wan't, they can talk about mechanics if they want, they can even call him garbage if they want. But to argue that this team was better off with Kyle Orton is borderline insanity.
Look, people can root against Tebow if they wan't, they can talk about mechanics if they want, they can even call him garbage if they want. But to argue that this team was better off with Kyle Orton is borderline insanity.
Warner2BruceTD
2011 Poster Of The Year
So Kyle Orton would be moving the chains with all of those designed QB sweeps and QB draws? You really believe that?
And who cares why they aren't turning the ball over. The bottom line is they don't turn the ball over.
Let me taste the meal, I don't need to see the recipe.
By running it more he would be turning it over less. Tebow would have an obscene amount of INT if he threw as much as Orton did.
Warner2BruceTD
2011 Poster Of The Year
I don't think you get it.
This is not meant to be condescending, but, have you watched the Broncos this year?
They completely revamped the offense to suit Tebow's skill set. He is not running the Orton offense. They are not simply handing the ball off more than they were before. You are simplifying the situation. They are essentially running a college style offense, low risk, grind it out, safe passing game. Orton could not run this offense. Just like Tebow could not run the Orton offense. Saying Denver would have had the same success under Orton by simply running more is false. The schematic change had a lot to do with it. And Orton can not run this scheme.
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