The General Wrestling Thread

[EmpireWF]

I wonder what kind of hideous gimmick "creative" will come up with if they get an offer.

The Kings of Entertainment, of course

 

[Bigpapa42]

Honestly, I hope the WWE doesn't sign them. Zero faith the WWE makes any good use of them and it would really hurt the indy scene at the moment.

Saw the Aries TNA match. He actually looked really good.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Selfishly, I don't want them to sign either. But good for them if they do.

 

[EmpireWF]

What's the best guess as to what's been wrong with Nigel's health these past couple years?

 

[SHOGUN]

What's the best guess as to what's been wrong with Nigel's health these past couple years?

My guess is Hepatitis. His situation sounds eerily too similar to Aleks Emelianenko.

 

[Dan The Man]

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SHANE O MAC

 

[EmpireWF]

My god Raw was shit this week....3 hours of shit.

They did the whole fan voting shtick which was complete bullshit.

-To decide who fights Bourne....Batista Jr. won over Swagger AND SIN FUCKING CARA.

-Fan voting was for 2/3 falls between Ziggler and Kofi for the US strap. They split the first two and then Kofi wins the third by DQ...but they rule title doesn't change hands b/c of the DQ.

The fuck? it was 2/3 falls, Kofi won 2 falls so he should've been awarded the belt.

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Punk did announce on TV his "last day" with the company would be the MITB PPV next month when he fights Cena for the belt.

Would be cool if it turned out Punk signed an extension and they do a Summer of Punk, WWE style (build it up to Summer Slam where Cena gets it back).

 

[dave]

I was really stunned when CM Punk announced his contract was up. I can't remember that ever happening in the WWE/WWF before. Of course it means he's already signed a new deal, but it was a cool move.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Lmao @ the backfiring of the fans "picking" Mason Ryan over the obvious Sin Cara vs Evan Bourne match.

 

[EmpireWF]

Lmao @ the backfiring of the fans "picking" Mason Ryan over the obvious Sin Cara vs Evan Bourne match.

It's silly that they refused to have the pair of babyfaces go at it...especially since they had Bourne lose anyway.

Nobody gives a fuck about Mason (during the match, the crowd chanted Batista) and his goofiness. Why sacrifice Bourne anyway, couldn't have done something similar with anyone else?

 

[dave]

They destroyed Mason Ryan the night they had him acquiesce to the whole Nexus Jr. thing.
Didn't work then, doesn't work now.

 

[SHOGUN]

That R-Truth/SuperCena match at CP was bullshit.

When was the last time the WWE had a three-hour show that was actually worth a damn?

I kinda liked the ADR/Punk/Rey match, though.

Summer of Punk in the WWE? I'd be interested if they had the balls to go full tilt with it.

 

[EmpireWF]

From Gabe Sapolsky's Facebook blog, talking about an idea for Bryan Danielson in TNA under Paul Heyman. This was back when Dragon was fired last summer and when Paul was talking with Dixie about taking over.

None of it happened, but the idea itself would have made money no doubt.

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You might have heard the new Paul Heyman interview from over the weekend where he revealed some of his plans if he went to TNA last summer, particularly with younger, new talent. I'll add something to that involving the man now known as Daniel Bryan in WWE. I was in the loop with Heyman about going to TNA. Now don't get me wrong, I wasn't about to give up Dragon Gate USA and EVOLVE, which are both very close to my heart, but I was going to figure out a way to possibly be involved with everything and even possibly tie in DGUSA and EVOLVE, but that's another subject for another time and was a long, long way from happening.

In the middle of all the TNA/Heyman talks, Bryan Danielson was fired by WWE last June. After Bryan called me, I immediately called Heyman and in just a little while Paul had a brilliant plan to make Bryan a star in TNA. It was a four parter:

1) Have Bryan debut a new submission and tap out EVERYONE in under a minute.

2) At the same time introduce a new, huge monster with a new high impact move and have him beat everyone quickly. I'm thinking Goldberg meets 911 here.

3) After 3-6 months, have Bryan and the monster collide and have Bryan tap him out in under a minute. This puts over the submission and Bryan like a million bucks. Have Bryan continue tapping people out. After a year or so, Bryan cuts a promo saying "I've tapped out everyone in this company..."

4) This all leads to Kurt Angle, after one year, coming out and confronting Bryan saying that he never tapped him out and that TNA is Angle's company. Bryan vs. Angle is on! Tell me that wouldn't sell some PPVs with that build up.

Instead, we were fortunate to have Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan for a nice run in both DGUSA and EVOLVE. He gave us some great matches in DGUSA against Shingo at "Enter The Dragon", YAMATO at "Untouchable 2010" and recent WWE signing Jon Moxley at "Way Of The Ronin". We happen to have just started a www.DGUSA.tv Weekly Special where all these DVDs are 25% off. Trust me, all these are worth going out of your way to see, especially if you are a Bryan fan.

We also had Bryan on two EVOLVE events before he returned full-time to WWE. He had hard-hitting, brutal matches against Bobby Fish at EVOLVE 4 and Munenori Sawa at EVOLVE 5. You can get both these DVDs at www.EVOLVEwrestling.com for just $25. Again, these are a must see, especially for all Bryan fans.

I don't know if Bryan would have signed with TNA, but I do think there was a window in June/early July of last year where he probably would have if Heyman and I went there. Now the window on everyone is slammed shut. Just another "what could have been."

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Sounds a lot like the initial Taz push/build towards Sabu.

sidenote - lol@Gabe shamelessly schilling his DVD's. "Bryan had some great matches in DGUSA which coincidentally are 25% off!"

Seriously though, the Bobby Fish EVOLVE match is worth going out of your way for. And the Shingo match in DGUSA is a classic.

 

[krulmichael]

It's silly that they refused to have the pair of babyfaces go at it...especially since they had Bourne lose anyway.

Nobody gives a fuck about Mason (during the match, the crowd chanted Batista) and his goofiness. Why sacrifice Bourne anyway, couldn't have done something similar with anyone else?

WWE trying to play it off as "Technical Difficulties" due to backlog of votes on the Diva's match (apparently he received 90% of the vote). Luckily enough, Bourne vs. Cara is happening next week on Raw. Hopefully with a good stipulation (ladder match anyone?) since it's Raw Roulette.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/wwe-grants-sin-cara-bourne-match

 

[s@ppisgod]

Sounds a lot like the initial Taz push/build towards Sabu.

sidenote - lol@Gabe shamelessly schilling his DVD's. "Bryan had some great matches in DGUSA which coincidentally are 25% off!"

Seriously though, the Bobby Fish EVOLVE match is worth going out of your way for. And the Shingo match in DGUSA is a classic.

Thats what I got out of it. Release some inside info and pepper it heavily with ads for your DVDs. But I'd much rather see Danielson wrestling 30 minutes with guys like Aries, Sabin, Shelley, Styles, etc than under a minute submissions for about a year. Someone like Matt Morgan should be squashing guys because he could catch on wrestling 1 minute matches pretty hard I think. Which is not to say it's a bad plan, because it would easily sell. I just don't think it's what people would want to see. AmDrag's appeal isn't that he's Goldberg. No one buys a ticket hoping to watch him for 45 seconds, yourself included probably.
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[dave]

I don't buy Bryan Danielson as a monster, but I gotta admit I thought his match vs. Chris Jericho on NXT was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I was late joining the Bryan Danielson fan club, but that did it.
It's a shame he's so vanilla and mid-card in the WWE, he deserves better.

 

[EmpireWF]

I don't buy Bryan Danielson as a monster, but I gotta admit I thought his match vs. Chris Jericho on NXT was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I was late joining the Bryan Danielson fan club, but that did it.
It's a shame he's so vanilla and mid-card in the WWE, he deserves better.

:gtfo:

 

[dave]

:gtfo:

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I knew very little (pretty much nothing) about Danielson before that match and thought it was cool. I didn't care that he lost, I cared that it was a helluva short match and Danielson impressed me.
I have never, for a second, professed to be a ketcha katch can wrestling expert (I have no fucking clue how to spell that). I don't spend hours scouring YouTube for Japanese or indy wrestling.
I am an old-school 80s NWA and WWE fan.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I don't buy Bryan Danielson as a monster, but I gotta admit I thought his match vs. Chris Jericho on NXT was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I was late joining the Bryan Danielson fan club, but that did it.
It's a shame he's so vanilla and mid-card in the WWE, he deserves better.

He (Heyman) made Taz, who, given, is a legit badass in real life, one of the most feared personas in the biz...he turned Chris Benoit, pre-psycho killing spree, into one of the more feared men in the biz, same with Malenko, Sabu, Rhino, etc.

Danielson, the best American wrestler in the world...coming off an angle where he was fired for choking out a random stooge on TV was giving Heyman boners, for certain.

You have this hot character amongst the wrestling community, who was thrown off WWE TV for being "too violent" come in and starting to choke everybody out...you just hot shot to the top of the card and made a legit draw for a company without a legit draw with a ridiculous amount of ease. You didn't even have to try, really. The shit would have written itself.