The General Wrestling Thread

[Bigpapa42]

I thought the Raw and Smackdown guys were in Australia.

Yeah, I'm starting to think that thing about Lawler is just a nasty Internet rumor. PW Insider is usually pretty careful, but I'm hoping there is nothing to it.

 

[dave]

I disagree. He stands out because he's different. His gimmick is he has no gimmick, and that he's "the best in the world".

Like biss said, he only needs to make on phone call, and he's working WWE tommorow. They clearly like him, because they allowed him to win clean over a contracted guy (Lance Cade) in his "tryout" (it was more of a showcase). They never do that. He has plenty of allies in the company...Regal, Jim Ross, and most inmportantly, HBK.

The other thing about Danielson, is he dosen't need the E. He's realistic enough to know he'd be a mid carder, and he's noted that he actually makes more money working indies than his friends who work the mid card in the WWE. Obviously he's the exception, because he gets booked by all the top indy groups and works Japan (NOAH) a few times per year.

He calls his own shots, makes enough money to live a decent life, and still finds time to train MMA and do all his humanitarian shit. Plus, he's still only in his 20's. He has plenty of time to do "corporate" prowres if he wants.

I didn't mean my post to sound disrespectful of Danielson.
You gotta have nothing but admiration for a guy who's carved out that kind of career without being in the major leagues.
And he gets to call his own shots. I imagine there are a number of WWE mid-carders who would kill to call their own shots, make a great living and keep their own names.

 

[FedEx227]

Apparently Edge's injury is a torn achilles. That's bad news.

Wish these dudes tendons didn't snap/bust every two years.

 

[BigBiss]

I didn't mean my post to sound disrespectful of Danielson.
You gotta have nothing but admiration for a guy who's carved out that kind of career without being in the major leagues.
And he gets to call his own shots. I imagine there are a number of WWE mid-carders who would kill to call their own shots, make a great living and keep their own names.

When most get there shot they put on a space suite, talk about Dolphins and film tv spots for Pizza joints.

 

[JayDizzle]

Apparently Edge's injury is a torn achilles. That's bad news.

Wish these dudes tendons didn't snap/bust every two years.

It makes me wonder about all the measures that the guys in the lockerroom take to make sure they have longer careers.

Shit, you can pretty much stamp a 10-year sentence on any guy's career if they fight in the middle-to-heavyweight ranks because they do mostly ground and pound moves; stuff that looks like it hurts but has low impact.

Some of the cruisers might change up their movesets a little or a lot (see: Rey Mysterio Jr.), bulk up a bit... but they may have less than 5 if all they do is spot-monkey stuff.

If anything else the human body, despite being trained to do the stuff these guys do in the ring to the point of it almost being mechanical (hence the "5 Moves of Doom"), just can't handle the strain of Pro Wrestling for very long.

Here's hoping the guy comes back in some capacity after some time off.

 

[dave]

When most get there shot they put on a space suite, talk about Dolphins and film tv spots for Pizza joints.

I have no clue what you mean here.

 

[FedEx227]

It makes me wonder about all the measures that the guys in the lockerroom take to make sure they have longer careers.

Shit, you can pretty much stamp a 10-year sentence on any guy's career if they fight in the middle-to-heavyweight ranks because they do mostly ground and pound moves; stuff that looks like it hurts but has low impact.

Some of the cruisers might change up their movesets a little or a lot (see: Rey Mysterio Jr.), bulk up a bit... but they may have less than 5 if all they do is spot-monkey stuff.

If anything else the human body, despite being trained to do the stuff these guys do in the ring to the point of it almost being mechanical (hence the "5 Moves of Doom"), just can't handle the strain of Pro Wrestling for very long.

Here's hoping the guy comes back in some capacity after some time off.

Also taking less steroids would help the tendons stay connected to the bone a bit more, but I definitely agree with you on the other stuff.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Also taking less steroids would help the tendons stay connected to the bone a bit more, but I definitely agree with you on the other stuff.

This.

Frequent muscle tears and torn tendons are generally a sign of steroid abuse. Especially as guys get into their mid to late 30's. Looking at you, John Cena, Boretista, Scott Steiner, Triple H....

 

[krulmichael]

Apparently Edge is fine cause he competed tonight on Raw live...and I'm sick of these triple threat title matches....

 

[Bigpapa42]

Apparently Edge is fine cause he competed tonight on Raw live...and I'm sick of these triple threat title matches....

Uh, except Raw wasn't live tonight. It was taped in San Jose on June 29th.

 

[dave]

This.

Frequent muscle tears and torn tendons are generally a sign of steroid abuse. Especially as guys get into their mid to late 30's. Looking at you, John Cena, Boretista, Scott Steiner, Triple H....

They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.
With their travel schedule, keeping those physiques without steroids is virtually impossible.
And those physiques are why they are where they are.

WWE needs to introduce three-month holidays for all their superstars - staggered.

Every pro sport gives their athletes significant time off. While the WWE is obviously not a real sport, these guys give every bit as much as real sport athletes.

 

[BigBiss]

They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.
With their travel schedule, keeping those physiques without steroids is virtually impossible.
And those physiques are why where they are.

WWE needs to introduce three-month holidays for all their superstars - staggered.

Every pro sport gives their athletes significant time off. While the WWE is obviously not a real sport, these guys give every bit as much as real sport athletes.

Thats how Japan does things

 

[Bigpapa42]

They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.
With their travel schedule, keeping those physiques without steroids is virtually impossible.
And those physiques are why they are where they are.

WWE needs to introduce three-month holidays for all their superstars - staggered.

Every pro sport gives their athletes significant time off. While the WWE is obviously not a real sport, these guys give every bit as much as real sport athletes.

Very much so. But having the big names on the sidelines costs the WWE more, so its not likely to happen.

 

[dave]

Very much so. But having the big names on the sidelines costs the WWE more, so its not likely to happen.

Having them off the air for a year hurts even more.

They could make the vacations work. Hell, just be honest with the audience.

John Cena needs a break, so he can come back three months from now recharged for his nine-year-old audience.

 

[Bigpapa42]

Having them off the air for a year hurts even more.

They could make the vacations work. Hell, just be honest with the audience.

John Cena needs a break, so he can come back three months from now recharged for his nine-year-old audience.

I don't disagree with the logic. The thing is that most of the injuries are not major long-term ones. They keep them out for a couple of months.

My guess is that if someone did an actual study of injuries to major stars in the E over the past few years and how many shows missed that accounted for, then compared that to how many would potentially be missed by having a rotating schedule for those same top stars, the result would be similar or more shows missed due to the rotation. My guess is that the E has looked at it and done that kind of study. The E is a business and it simply comes down to what makes the best business sense.

 

[BigBiss]

I don't disagree with the logic. The thing is that most of the injuries are not major long-term ones. They keep them out for a couple of months.

My guess is that if someone did an actual study of injuries to major stars in the E over the past few years and how many shows missed that accounted for, then compared that to how many would potentially be missed by having a rotating schedule for those same top stars, the result would be similar or more shows missed due to the rotation. My guess is that the E has looked at it and done that kind of study. The E is a business and it simply comes down to what makes the best business sense.

Do not underestimate suburness, ego and the power of being stuck in the old way of doing things.

 

[krulmichael]

Uh, except Raw wasn't live tonight. It was taped in San Jose on June 29th.

Yea...I realized that earlier today when I saw wwe.com posted it on their website. Doh!

 

[Bigpapa42]

Do not underestimate suburness, ego and the power of being stuck in the old way of doing things.

True that.

Its going to be an interesting summer for the E, with all the injuries. Plus Jeff Hardy is supposedly close to leaving. They really might have to make some new stars, especially on Smackdown.

 

[BigBiss]

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[Warner2BruceTD]

Taken from another board....the new NOAH power structure has taken shape in the wake of the death of Misawa.

As expected, Akira Taue will assume the role of company president.

However, in something more surprising, Mitsuo Momota has stepped down as VP. Kenta Kobashi AND Naomichi Marufuji will both inherit this role. Momota will continue on as a consultant for the company.

Here is the current corporate structure of NOAH.

President: Akira Taue
Vice President: Kenta Kobashi
Vice President: Naomichi Marufuji
Managing Director: Hisao Hayakawa
Wrestler's Chairman:Takeshi Morishima
Sales Director: Masashi Mitsui
Auditor: Kanji Higuchi
Consultant: Mitsuo Momota
Consultant: Haruka Eigen
Consultant: Yoshinari Ogawa
Consultant: Ryu Nakada

*Booker*:Jun Akiyama

Some notes:

Taue, Kobashi, and Jun Akiyama are the last real links to the golden age of "King's Road" and the peak of All Japan before the mass exodus that led to the creation NOAH. Akiyama is the last of the three who can still perform at a high level (Kobashi is still the best draw in the company), and although highly respected, has been hesitant to take on corporate power. Akiyama will still be the booker-many people were surprised (including mysel) to find out he had been booking even before Misawa passed.

Surprises in bold. Marufuji & Morishima are part of the "new guard", who both were given chances to be GHC World Champion at points, and both had the plug pulled rather quickly. Marufuji has alot of power for a man of such a (relatively) young age. He's highly respected, and odds are good he will run the company one day.

Momota stepping down is siginificant, because although he was never a main event level performer, he is the son of the legendary Rikidozan, and is one of the most respected men in the company, with a great mind for the business.

Reportedly, Taue reluctantly assumed the President role, only because Kobashi & Akiyama were not interested. It's my belief, based on things i've heard, that Marufuji is being groomed.