The General Wrestling Thread

[FirstTimer]

Still the most hyped(energy wise) match I've ever seen.

Fucking HUGE pops's at the end. Have to love the Old Nitro crowds.

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GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLDBERG....GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLDBERG....GOOOOOOOOOOOOOLDBERG

 

[EmpireWF]

The most hyped WCW match of all-time =

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[FirstTimer]

The most hyped WCW match of all-time =

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Z39rVeY50

I didn't mean build up wise. I mean energy wise.

Fuck Sting vs Hogan.

 

[EmpireWF]

lol

yes, fuck WCW was stupid for putting it on for free on TV but damn was the Georgia Dome hot for it.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

lol

yes, fuck WCW was stupid for putting it on for free on TV but damn was the Georgia Dome hot for it.

Biggest orgasm of a crowd I've ever seen.

When he picks Hogan up for the Jackhammer and them slams him, you can feel the man goo just cum as a waterfall on the ring.

 

[EmpireWF]

...and then Nash killed him off five months later. :facepalm:

 

[s@ppisgod]

I loved the old Nitro crowds. They shit all over even the best WWE crowds the last 8 or so years. Probably even before. They just had this whole southern, rowdy thing going. The Goldberg thing was stupid from a business standpoint, but it's still probably the biggest moment in WCW. Arguably the most memorable wrestling moment ever. The Hogan/Andre thing just doesn't hold up the same over time. Whats funny is that if WCW did the Sting/Hogan and Goldberg/Hogan matches right, instead of fucking up the result to the Sting match and the build to the Goldberg match, they could have made sooooo much money.
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[EmpireWF]

I loved the old Nitro crowds. They shit all over even the best WWE crowds the last 8 or so years. Probably even before. They just had this whole southern, rowdy thing going. The Goldberg thing was stupid from a business standpoint, but it's still probably the biggest moment in WCW. Arguably the most memorable wrestling moment ever. The Hogan/Andre thing just doesn't hold up the same over time. Whats funny is that if WCW did the Sting/Hogan and Goldberg/Hogan matches right, instead of fucking up the result to the Sting match and the build to the Goldberg match, they could have made sooooo much money.
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I don't know about that. From a 'moment' perspective, almost nothing can top Hogan/Andre. I wouldn't put Goldberg/Hogan up there with it (the fact it was thrown away on TV, despite the awesome crowd immediately takes it down IMO).

 

[FirstTimer]

I don't know about that. From a 'moment' perspective, almost nothing can top Hogan/Andre. I wouldn't put Goldberg/Hogan up there with it (the fact it was thrown away on TV, despite the awesome crowd immediately takes it down IMO).

I don't think it was "thrown away" on TV. In context of what was going on with the Monday Night Wars having a match like that on prime time cable television. Having the belt change hands like that, and WHERE they had it change was a great pice of booking. Goldberg played ball for the Georgia Bulldogs, and Atlanta Falcons that entire place was hyped up for Goldberg and Hogan was the ultimate heel in that scenario. Frankly, if you had done it at a PPV at a neautral site a lot of the atmosphere of that match is lost because the crowd wouldn't have been nearly as jacked.

WCW booked it so Goldberg was playing in the National Championship game at home on national TV. Brilliant move IMO.

 

[FirstTimer]

Biggest orgasm of a crowd I've ever seen.

When he picks Hogan up for the Jackhammer and them slams him, you can feel the man goo just cum as a waterfall on the ring.

Was the toilet paper they were throwing an attempt to help clean up?

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

That Sting theme was so fucking badass.

 

[IamMedellin]

I don't think it was "thrown away" on TV. In context of what was going on with the Monday Night Wars having a match like that on prime time cable television. Having the belt change hands like that, and WHERE they had it change was a great pice of booking. Goldberg played ball for the Georgia Bulldogs, and Atlanta Falcons that entire place was hyped up for Goldberg and Hogan was the ultimate heel in that scenario. Frankly, if you had done it at a PPV at a neautral site a lot of the atmosphere of that match is lost because the crowd wouldn't have been nearly as jacked.

WCW booked it so Goldberg was playing in the National Championship game at home on national TV. Brilliant move IMO.

considering the money that WCW couldve made in temrs of PPV buys and the additional money to be made at the PPV gate, this was one of the Biggest PPV matches in wrestling thrown away on free tv to pop a rating in war that was already lost. Nitro was booked at the georgiadome months in advance and the building was going to be packed just b/c it was Nitro, atlanta was always big for WCW. Goldberg/Hogan was not promoted or hyped at all until the day of that nitro, where only a mere 2000 additional tickets were sold. WCW hotshotted this match to pop a rating since Raw had taken the lead in the ratings war, wcw won the night and it was the last time they would win a night. Hogan/Goldberg with any kind of hype wouldve done HUGE numbers in PPV buys and WCW couldve sold out a building on that 1 match alone, the georgiadome was almost fillled to capacity before they even knew that match was going to take place. Again, probably the Biggest moment in the History of Nitro, but an Awful business decision.
IMO

 

[Bigpapa42]

It was a very questionable business decision. But from the point that Bischoff took over WCW, the company's focus was always on TV ratings. Maybe it goes further than that and is really due to who owned WCW. Regardless, the TV ratings were always the priority. Things like PPV buyrates and even attendances were secondary. WCW gave away pay per view caliber matches on Nitro every week, even once they were killing the WWF in the ratings.

The WWF was always more about building toward the PPV event. Given the money that strong buy rates brings in, that's probably the smarter model.

TNA seems to share a similar "ratings matter most" philosophy as what WCW had. The way TNA books, it seems like they don't care at all about PPV...

 

[IamMedellin]

and yet TNA wonders why they cant do more than 4000 buys...

 

[FirstTimer]

considering the money that WCW couldve made in temrs of PPV buys and the additional money to be made at the PPV gate, this was one of the Biggest PPV matches in wrestling thrown away on free tv to pop a rating in war that was already lost

In retrospect the war was lost but at the time it wasn't.

Like I said, if that PPV takes place in New York, Detroit, San Jose, etc etc etc that crowd isn't nearly like that and the huge emotion of the crowd is lost. IMO Goldberg couldn't have won the belt anywhere better than in Georgia and WCW set it up that way.

Sure they could have made more money hyping the PPV up and getting a ton of buys but the match would have ended up much lamer IMO.

Goldberg/Hogan was not promoted or hyped at all until the day of that nitro, where only a mere 2000 additional tickets were sold. WCW hotshotted this match to pop a rating since Raw had taken the lead in the ratings war, wcw won the night and it was the last time they would win a night. Hogan/Goldberg with any kind of hype wouldve done HUGE numbers in PPV buys and WCW couldve sold out a building on that 1 match alone, the georgiadome was almost fillled to capacity before they even knew that match was going to take place. Again, probably the Biggest moment in the History of Nitro, but an Awful business decision.
IMO

I guess I'm not disagreeing with the business end of it...I'm just saying that the match doesn't carry as much emotion and atmosphere if it's held at a PPV. Even the Sting/Hogan Starcade match for as hyped as the much was by WCW leading up to it felt empty to me in a lot of ways. Yeah the crowd was into it but nowhere near what the Goldberg/Hogan deal was. And honestly if we can use retrospect WCW having that match at a PPV wouldn't have mattered anyways because WCW ends up folding no matter what. Business aside(which didn't end up mattering anyways) you couldn't have had that belt change hands in any better way.

 

[EmpireWF]

I don't think it was "thrown away" on TV. In context of what was going on with the Monday Night Wars having a match like that on prime time cable television. Having the belt change hands like that, and WHERE they had it change was a great pice of booking. Goldberg played ball for the Georgia Bulldogs, and Atlanta Falcons that entire place was hyped up for Goldberg and Hogan was the ultimate heel in that scenario. Frankly, if you had done it at a PPV at a neautral site a lot of the atmosphere of that match is lost because the crowd wouldn't have been nearly as jacked.

WCW booked it so Goldberg was playing in the National Championship game at home on national TV. Brilliant move IMO.

From Death of WCW…

-Leading up to the Georgia Dome Nitro, they were at over 20,000 tickets sold and close to a $1 million gate.

-Hogan offered to wrestle Goldberg in a dark match and lose, with the plan that since all the big Turner execs would be in the building, they'd assume Hogan drew the big house.

-Things changed because Nitro was losing the ratings war to Raw, Bischoff was obsessed with winning.

-Inside the company, they "sensed" this would be a new era with Goldberg as a megadraw, beating Hogan clean in the ring.

-The quarter-hour rating for the match was a 6.91, over 5 million homes. Nitro beat Raw that week.

-The Georgia Dome Nitro drew 41,412 people (their biggest crowd ever, one of the 4 biggest American crowds to watch a wrestling show at that time). On TV, they claimed 39,919 fans. :smug:

They threw away millions by putting it on free TV, awesome atmosphere or not. Plus, they did win the ratings battle that week but that shouldn't have mattered when they could have done amazing PPV business with the match. Ironically, modern day TNA doesn't give a shit about PPV business and their dicks are hard about meaningless TV ratings. (To WCW's credit, they actually had success on PPV)

I didn't realize WCW PPV was doing pretty damn good in 1998 on the surface (they made $7 million off the Bash at the Beach PPV {Hogan/Rodman vs. DDP/Malone}). While Goldberg was fresh, sold merchandise and was something of a draw….Kevin Nash became booker and booked himself to beat Goldberg that December. Nash still defends the decision to this day, but there is no logical way anyone can.

 

[FirstTimer]

From Death of WCW…

-Leading up to the Georgia Dome Nitro, they were at over 20,000 tickets sold and close to a $1 million gate.

-Hogan offered to wrestle Goldberg in a dark match and lose, with the plan that since all the big Turner execs would be in the building, they'd assume Hogan drew the big house.

-Things changed because Nitro was losing the ratings war to Raw, Bischoff was obsessed with winning.

-Inside the company, they "sensed" this would be a new era with Goldberg as a megadraw, beating Hogan clean in the ring.

-The quarter-hour rating for the match was a 6.91, over 5 million homes. Nitro beat Raw that week.

-The Georgia Dome Nitro drew 41,412 people (their biggest crowd ever, one of the 4 biggest American crowds to watch a wrestling show at that time). On TV, they claimed 39,919 fans. :smug:

They threw away millions by putting it on free TV, awesome atmosphere or not. Plus, they did win the ratings battle that week but that shouldn't have mattered when they could have done amazing PPV business with the match. Ironically, modern day TNA doesn't give a shit about PPV business and their dicks are hard about meaningless TV ratings. (To WCW's credit, they actually had success on PPV)

I didn't realize WCW PPV was doing pretty damn good in 1998 on the surface (they made $7 million off the Bash at the Beach PPV {Hogan/Rodman vs. DDP/Malone}). While Goldberg was fresh, sold merchandise and was something of a draw….Kevin Nash became booker and booked himself to beat Goldberg that December. Nash still defends the decision to this day, but there is no logical way anyone can.

Like I said I don't disgaree with where the "business" end of things is coming from. But in the end it would have been all for naught anyways.

Nash beating Goldberg=teh lamez...

 

[EmpireWF]

WCW was horribly managed but they did run into some classic moments...

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[IamMedellin]

In retrospect the war was lost but at the time it wasn't.

this was a hotshotted move, it was a right place right time type moment and while wcw put all of their eggs in that one basket, and It paid off for that one night[which didnt end up mattering anyways], there was no followup, no real plan for Goldberg as champion, typical WCW. His 1st title defense was against Curt Henning with no promotion[again] on PPV. Nitro floundered and never won another night. the next time there was actually a plan for goldberg as champion it involved Nash, and we all know how that worked out.

Like I said, if that PPV takes place in New York, Detroit, San Jose, etc etc etc that crowd isn't nearly like that and the huge emotion of the crowd is lost. IMO Goldberg couldn't have won the belt anywhere better than in Georgia and WCW set it up that way.

Sure they could have made more money hyping the PPV up and getting a ton of buys but the match would have ended up much lamer IMO.

I dont disagree with the moment, its very difficult to duplicate anywhere else since Atlanta was home to WCW and had the hometown guy in Goldberg who was at his Hottest, and Hogan who was just Loathed, it was a right time right place type deal. But from a business standpoint it was just a moronic move to give away that big of a ppv match on free tv, that match was a liscence to print money and it was thrown away on free tv, just another dumb move/missed oppertunity by WCW.

 

[s@ppisgod]

I don't know about that. From a 'moment' perspective, almost nothing can top Hogan/Andre. I wouldn't put Goldberg/Hogan up there with it (the fact it was thrown away on TV, despite the awesome crowd immediately takes it down IMO).

Again, the Hogan/Andre thing just doesn't hold up over time. Vince loading up on giant, monster wrestlers just makes Andre seem less "special" in retrospect. Hogan, though, is like the Babe Ruth of wrestling. Goldberg beating him, while anyone with a TV and interest in wrestling watched, in front of the hottest crowd ever. Well, thats a bigger moment to me. Lost a ton of money, yeah. But EVERYONE remembers it.
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